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treadigraph 30th Mar 2022 11:29

I reckon it's the Ilyushin IL-40?

Beamr 30th Mar 2022 11:45


Originally Posted by treadigraph (Post 11207854)
I reckon it's the Ilyushin IL-40?

Absolutely! The first version of the ground attack plane Ilyushin IL-40 from early 50's. Only one made with that nose, it was heavily modified once they found out that firing the guns disturbed the airflow to the engines causing the engines to stall. Back to the drawing board and they came up with the uglyish double-barrel design, but only 1 prototype + 5 production units were ever made in the Rostov-on-Don plant by the sea of Azov. The mentioning of long legs was just fog of war, I did try to lure others to consider it would be a propeller aircraft, but it surely is equipped with jets. According to some sources the program was cancelled due to change in doctrine towards using tactical nukes dropped by fighter-bombers instead of these strafing the enemy... I hope the current regime in Moscow has no such ideas to replace the frogfoots.

Here's the full picture of which the quiz was made of, plus a side picture and the double-barrel shotgun. All yours treadigraph!

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....02a869b312.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....069a1ae1c9.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....19bbd2f694.jpg


treadigraph 30th Mar 2022 12:01

Cheers Beamr, herewith another oddity to me...

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....17739a2a7f.jpg

Planemike 30th Mar 2022 12:58

French.......methinks ???

Beamr 30th Mar 2022 13:25

I'd think so, too. The piston engined version is prettier and with triple the range more useful, too.

treadigraph 30th Mar 2022 14:37

Your thinking does you both credit!

Asturias56 30th Mar 2022 15:57

With those clues even I can get it

SNCAC NC.1070 I think?

remember the 24 hour rule tho'

jolihokistix 30th Mar 2022 23:56

Erm, being a newcomer I have no right to whinge, but isn’t Rostov on Don part of Russia, or is it a question of being an oblast in the Soviet Union and not strictly Russian? (Asking for a friend)

Beamr 31st Mar 2022 07:04


Originally Posted by jolihokistix (Post 11208199)
Erm, being a newcomer I have no right to whinge, but isn’t Rostov on Don part of Russia, or is it a question of being an oblast in the Soviet Union and not strictly Russian? (Asking for a friend)

Yes it is part of Russia, as it was in the Soviet Union era as well. Why does your friend ask?
Due to my answer to Asturias's question? My answer was maskirovka :E

Asturias56 31st Mar 2022 07:18

I still use USSR and Soviet Union when of course I mean the Russian Republic

then there's the Uk, GB, England possibilities

I did know some folk who spoke about "the Union Govt." in Arkansas - and they weren't talking about N Ireland


treadigraph 31st Mar 2022 12:13


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11207988)
With those clues even I can get it

SNCAC NC.1070 I think?

remember the 24 hour rule tho'

Close enough for Government work, the Nene-powered second prototype was the NC.1071. Looks to me like something dreamed up by Gloster with a helping hand from Christopher Cockerell and Richard Noble's Bloodhound design team.

You have control...

jolihokistix 31st Mar 2022 12:21


Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11208325)
Yes it is part of Russia, as it was in the Soviet Union era as well. Why does your friend ask?
Due to my answer to Asturias's question? My answer was maskirovka :E

Yes, but I note that this thread is at Deception Level 5.

My friend then strangely asked me to ask you if you would be seen dead in a BMW. It must be hypothetical, as he is not at all the offensive type.

Beamr 31st Mar 2022 12:29


Originally Posted by jolihokistix (Post 11208511)
Yes, but I note that this thread is at Deception Level 5.

My friend then strangely asked me to ask you if you would be seen dead in a BMW. It must be hypothetical, as he is not at all the offensive type.

There always is the risk as I've driven a BMW that was tested in Kobe for radiation levels prior to export. True story!

jolihokistix 31st Mar 2022 13:00

Curious. That must have been after Fukushima. One should of course always check for flood damage, but radiation is a new one on me. And on a German car in Japan! But I digress from your excellent thread.

Asturias56 31st Mar 2022 13:29

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....059a91c072.jpg

India Four Two 31st Mar 2022 16:43

I might have a clue what this is!

treadigraph 31st Mar 2022 17:22

Al agree with your prognosis, I42!

Asturias56 1st Apr 2022 07:38

Put us out of our misery........................

treadigraph 1st Apr 2022 09:09

My mo*ney is in I42's response...

Noyade 1st Apr 2022 09:32

Based on the above - The Mooney M-18 Mite?

Asturias56 1st Apr 2022 10:33

(twiddles thumbs and watches clock)

India Four Two 1st Apr 2022 14:50

Well, the world is round you know and I sleep at different times to you, Al Sturias!

It is of course the mighty Mooney Mite. I did not know this type existed until I saw this one at Santa Monica ten years ago.


It was immediately obvious from the fin that it must’ve been a baby Mooney.

Open house.

Asturias56 1st Apr 2022 18:17

Ah but the Mods work on different hours again - I was handed 5 weeks on the bench at Christmas for doing what you've just done and I don't wish to trespass again

The 24 hours run on posted Board clock time - so you have to wait until 10:10 tomorrow on my machine before I declare a winner..................... and that is the person who actually named it

Beamr 1st Apr 2022 18:26

Please correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the rule 24 hours from the original picture posting time? That 24 hours passed approximately five hours ago already.

sycamore 1st Apr 2022 19:21

Don`t Italian clocks go backwards...?

India Four Two 1st Apr 2022 19:36

I waited until the hour hand had rotated twice!

However Noyade posted when I wasn’t watching, so I withdraw my OH.


Time is an illusion and lunchtime doubly so.
Douglas Adams.

treadigraph 2nd Apr 2022 08:56

Don't believe I've ever seen one in Europe and a type I was unfamiliar with until I saw one at Albert Whitted Airport in Florida nearly 40 years ago. Oh look, a Mooney that's shunk in the wash...

Noyade 2nd Apr 2022 20:57

Thanks A56.


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....7293b1122e.jpg

Asturias56 4th Apr 2022 07:37

is the aircraft American?

Noyade 4th Apr 2022 22:18


Originally Posted by Asturias56 (Post 11210283)
is the aircraft American?

Yes it is.

Asturias56 5th Apr 2022 07:37

a non-radial engined US aircraft of that vintage? How rare!!

Looks rather like Ryanairs M-1 - but it isn't

Noyade 5th Apr 2022 09:09

A 2-cyl 60 hp motor.
Not a very well known American company but they did produce a very large twin-boom trimotor biplane bomber for the US Army.

treadigraph 5th Apr 2022 09:35

Ah got it! Never heard of company or aircraft; I'll hang back as I have nothing to offer and I'm sure somebody will apply the same Sherlockian principles to the clues as I did! Looks a delightful little flivver! I want one...

Beamr 5th Apr 2022 09:36

It is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike a moth.

meleagertoo 5th Apr 2022 10:26

The trimotor had similarly pleasing-shaped fuselage(s) too.

teusje 6th Apr 2022 16:36

The Butterfly Monoplane, designed by J. L. Cato
and manufactured by the L. W. F. Engineering Corporation.
Open House if correct, as I have nothing to offer right now.

Noyade 6th Apr 2022 21:20


Originally Posted by teusje (Post 11211517)
The Butterfly Monoplane, designed by J. L. Cato
and manufactured by the L. W. F. Engineering Corporation.
Open House if correct, as I have nothing to offer right now.

Teusje has named it - correctly. :ok:
We have open house.

Warmtoast 8th Apr 2022 10:31

As it's Open House try this one for size.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0cea98a3f2.jpg

ea200 8th Apr 2022 11:19

Are we looking at a Bloch MB design? I suspect it was never made?

Warmtoast 8th Apr 2022 13:16

No. Not a Bloch MB design.


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