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Old 12th Oct 2022, 12:46
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Was this connected to the work carried out on the SNCASE SE=3110? however most images of that aircraft showed two bladed rotors. However I think this one is the Borgward Kolibri

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Old 12th Oct 2022, 18:54
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Originally Posted by MReyn24050
Was this connected to the work carried out on the SNCASE SE=3110? however most images of that aircraft showed two bladed rotors. However I think this one is the Borgward Kolibri
Found the original video from which the challenge image came from. Brilliant challenge Graham great fun searching.. Open House if I am correct in saying the aircraft was the Borgward Kolibrri
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Old 13th Oct 2022, 01:15
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Originally Posted by MReyn24050
Open House if I am correct in saying the aircraft was the Borgward Kolibrri
Yes, you are correct Mel - Open House it is then.




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Old 14th Oct 2022, 18:47
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try this - won't last long I think


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Old 16th Oct 2022, 21:37
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Perhaps the Manuel Crested Wren or the Kestrel?
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Old 17th Oct 2022, 08:45
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No - there was only one built I believe and it's in a museum

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Old 19th Oct 2022, 08:32
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I think this was the designer​​​​​​​




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Old 19th Oct 2022, 13:32
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A glider?
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Old 20th Oct 2022, 09:28
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Yes - and a notable first.


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Old 20th Oct 2022, 11:38
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A water-glider?
But 'first' in what way?
By no means the first water glider. That was done in 1905
First with flaps perhaps?
Italian by any chance?

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Old 20th Oct 2022, 15:43
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It is very definitely a first - and it isn't Italian

It is a while after 1905 tho'.................
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Old 20th Oct 2022, 16:57
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DFS See Adler German glider designed by Hans Jacobs and flown by Hanna Reitsch?


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Old 20th Oct 2022, 17:57
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I looked at the Seeadler earlier and did see that it’s ailerons had wwwww braces and not xxxxx.
So I would be surprised if Seeadler would be correct.
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Old 20th Oct 2022, 23:01
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Not Seeadler. Mid fin mounted tailplane and fin shape completely different..
One or two Polish gliders from the '30s have a similar fin shape but none were waterbirds.

Its not Portuguese is it? Otherwise no idea. I'm stuck.
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Old 21st Oct 2022, 07:36
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Possibly 'The Welsh Harp' But the floats look different...Slingsby Water Falcon
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Old 21st Oct 2022, 08:58
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Not German - meleagertoo is correct - it is Portuguese
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Old 21st Oct 2022, 13:36
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It's called the Varela Cid and resides in the Muesu do Ar at Sintra which explains why I didn't recognise it as I missed going there last time in Portugal, and despite searching their exhibits list on first seeing what appeared to be a Portuguese flag on the wall in the challenge photo a couple of days ago didn't find it listed - or just didn't spot it. The flag was the giveaway.




Translated "Built by Artur Varela Cid, at the time a student at Técnico, the “Portugal” rose to an altitude of 140 meters on its maiden flight in 1934. became the third hydro glider to fly in the world, at a time when the knowledge of aeronautics was developing at a great pace. It flew a second and last time in Póvoa de Santa Iria and from there it went into rest, but also for the history of engineering and Portuguese aeronautics. It made an invaluable contribution to the knowledge of the aerodynamic components of flight and also presented itself as a good instructional tool for aviators. It has been exhibited at the Museu do Ar, in Alverca, since 2016, surrounded by motorized planes."



However finding out anything about Artur Varela Cid himself is difficult, there isn't much on the internet and most of that is in Portuguese.


Vast detail on the contemporary science of gliding and some pics of the Varela Cid , Page 507 onwards (in Portuguese);
https://aeist.pt/downloads/Periodico...a_1932_N46.PDF

Great challenge, that one!

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Old 22nd Oct 2022, 08:58
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A picture to hold the fort until 13:40



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Old 22nd Oct 2022, 10:29
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What would the reason be to land a glider in the water, i.l.o land? Do you have to haul the plane onto land to get it in the air again? Or could you start it from the water? Most puzzling.
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