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No, Reg. Sorry.
I'll speed it up.
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The RAF School of Technical Training, Halton, produced a number of light aircraft designs in the 1920s which in many cases were built and flew competitively. These included a two-seat biplane, the 32 hp Cherub-powered HAC.1 Mayfly(G-EBOO) which appeared at air pageants and racing events. It was later converted to a parasol single-seater, the HAC.2 Minus, retaining the same registration. This entered the King's Cup Race in three successive years to 1929.
C.H. Latimer-Needham, an Education Officer at the School who played a substantial role in developing the HAC.1 and HAC.2, meanwhile became associated with the two Granger brothers in 1926, founders of the Nottingham Experimental Light Plane Club.
They had designed a small tailless monoplane, the Archaeopteryx. The prototype, G-ABXL, made a successful first flight in October 1930, also with a Bristol Cherub engine. It continued flying for some years, ending its days with the Shuttleworth Trust. It served to interest Latimer-Needham in tailless or flying wing aircraft, which he envisioned as capable of housing all personnel and payload within the wing.
He set about working on a tailless design known as the HAC.3 Meteor. The pilot sat in a nacelle between the front and rear mounted Bristol Cherub engines. These engines had been lent to Halton Aero Club by the Air Ministry, and had once been used in an experimental helicopter designed by one Vittorio Isacco, mounted unsuccessfully in each rotor blade.
The Airworthiness Department of the RAE helpfully suggested fitting of "pilot-planes" on the leading edge of the wing, effectively producing a slotted wing. This lowered the aircraft's minimum speed to give it a range of 25 to 120 mph. By that time design and construction had gone to far to increase the wing area to take full advantage of the pilot-planes and to augment high-speed performance.
The aircraft had tandem landing gear in the main fairing, the front wheel steerable by the rudder pedals, and adding a rudder effect in flight. By the end of 1929 construction was over 90% complete, at which stage officialdom abandoned the project. The reason given was that the RAF was changing over to all-metal aircraft.
HALTON HAC.3 DATA:Powerplants:
2x Bristol Cherub III, each 32 hp
Span:
43.93 feet
Wing area:
150 sq. ft. (plus contollers, 30 sq. ft.)
Yes... The Halton HAC.3 Meteor
your control!!!
I'll speed it up.
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The RAF School of Technical Training, Halton, produced a number of light aircraft designs in the 1920s which in many cases were built and flew competitively. These included a two-seat biplane, the 32 hp Cherub-powered HAC.1 Mayfly(G-EBOO) which appeared at air pageants and racing events. It was later converted to a parasol single-seater, the HAC.2 Minus, retaining the same registration. This entered the King's Cup Race in three successive years to 1929.
C.H. Latimer-Needham, an Education Officer at the School who played a substantial role in developing the HAC.1 and HAC.2, meanwhile became associated with the two Granger brothers in 1926, founders of the Nottingham Experimental Light Plane Club.
They had designed a small tailless monoplane, the Archaeopteryx. The prototype, G-ABXL, made a successful first flight in October 1930, also with a Bristol Cherub engine. It continued flying for some years, ending its days with the Shuttleworth Trust. It served to interest Latimer-Needham in tailless or flying wing aircraft, which he envisioned as capable of housing all personnel and payload within the wing.
He set about working on a tailless design known as the HAC.3 Meteor. The pilot sat in a nacelle between the front and rear mounted Bristol Cherub engines. These engines had been lent to Halton Aero Club by the Air Ministry, and had once been used in an experimental helicopter designed by one Vittorio Isacco, mounted unsuccessfully in each rotor blade.
The Airworthiness Department of the RAE helpfully suggested fitting of "pilot-planes" on the leading edge of the wing, effectively producing a slotted wing. This lowered the aircraft's minimum speed to give it a range of 25 to 120 mph. By that time design and construction had gone to far to increase the wing area to take full advantage of the pilot-planes and to augment high-speed performance.
The aircraft had tandem landing gear in the main fairing, the front wheel steerable by the rudder pedals, and adding a rudder effect in flight. By the end of 1929 construction was over 90% complete, at which stage officialdom abandoned the project. The reason given was that the RAF was changing over to all-metal aircraft.
HALTON HAC.3 DATA:Powerplants:
2x Bristol Cherub III, each 32 hp
Span:
43.93 feet
Wing area:
150 sq. ft. (plus contollers, 30 sq. ft.)
Yes... The Halton HAC.3 Meteor
your control!!!
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Kinda limited...
Aaa, if you mean the challenge, no.
Edit to say: Ach ja... That put the last light off this thread
See ya guys tomorrow.
Aaa, if you mean the challenge, no.
Edit to say: Ach ja... That put the last light off this thread
See ya guys tomorrow.
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As one light goes out another comes on. Just got home and just missed Reg, Oh well; I believe it's one of Jose Weiss's flying wing gliders of the early 1900's ??
As I see you're not being tooooo picky Reg (unlike me
)!! perhaps that'll do?
Sleep well mate
, gimme time to sort something out as I'm out of posts at the moment
As I see you're not being tooooo picky Reg (unlike me
)!! perhaps that'll do? Sleep well mate
, gimme time to sort something out as I'm out of posts at the moment
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Yes, TC, it's a Jose Weiss' flying wing glider. My source says it's Olive (he named his aeroplanes according to his daughters) - Wiki claims that Olive was another make.....
"GLIDING AND SOARING FLIGHT" is the title of a book published by Sampson Low, Marston and Co., Ltd. The author is Mr. J. Bernard Weiss, son of the late Mr. Jose Weiss, who was one of the pioneers of flying in this country. The book has a preface by Mr. C. G. Grey, and an appendix by Mr. W . H. Sayers. It is in no sense a technical work on gliding, but is rather a historical account of what has been done from the earliest days up to the present time. Incidentally it gives a fuller account of the work of Jose Weiss than has hitherto been available, and the experiments of that early pioneer deserve to be much more widely known than the yare. As Mr.Grey points out in his preface,"Mr. Jose Weiss—such is our English custom—is much better known in the United States as a great painter of English landscapes than he is in this country in his more important manifestation as a great pioneer of aviation." The price of " Gliding and Soaring Flight " is 5s. net. (Flight, April 19, 1923)
Jose Weiss died in December 1919
(Flight, December 25, 1919
It is with great regret that we have to record the death of Mr. JOSE WEISS, who was one of the British pioneers and worked most painstakingly first with gliders and later with power driven machines, in which both the body and the wings were given the characteristic shape of a bird.
Over to you - take your time.
Good night!
"GLIDING AND SOARING FLIGHT" is the title of a book published by Sampson Low, Marston and Co., Ltd. The author is Mr. J. Bernard Weiss, son of the late Mr. Jose Weiss, who was one of the pioneers of flying in this country. The book has a preface by Mr. C. G. Grey, and an appendix by Mr. W . H. Sayers. It is in no sense a technical work on gliding, but is rather a historical account of what has been done from the earliest days up to the present time. Incidentally it gives a fuller account of the work of Jose Weiss than has hitherto been available, and the experiments of that early pioneer deserve to be much more widely known than the yare. As Mr.Grey points out in his preface,"Mr. Jose Weiss—such is our English custom—is much better known in the United States as a great painter of English landscapes than he is in this country in his more important manifestation as a great pioneer of aviation." The price of " Gliding and Soaring Flight " is 5s. net. (Flight, April 19, 1923)
Jose Weiss died in December 1919
(Flight, December 25, 1919
It is with great regret that we have to record the death of Mr. JOSE WEISS, who was one of the British pioneers and worked most painstakingly first with gliders and later with power driven machines, in which both the body and the wings were given the characteristic shape of a bird. Over to you - take your time.
Good night!
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Thank you Reg, very intresting, I always regarded him as one of our great, but little recognised pioneers, I believe that he was French 
by birth and English by adoption, he certainly chose to spend much of his life here!
I'll try and put another challenge up soon, but struggling with my connection and getting supper at the moment.
Good night
by birth and English by adoption, he certainly chose to spend much of his life here!I'll try and put another challenge up soon, but struggling with my connection and getting supper at the moment.
Good night
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Good evening LM,
Been a good day today innit!!
I'm just sorting something out now, but I expect you'll be
ZZzzzzzz soon? So I'm not bustin a gut OK ?
I can't seem to open Mel's list at moment which isn't helping things!
Been a good day today innit!!
I'm just sorting something out now, but I expect you'll be
ZZzzzzzz soon? So I'm not bustin a gut OK ?I can't seem to open Mel's list at moment which isn't helping things!