European and UK Dakota passenger flights under threat!
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Michael Collett has already stated Air Atlantique will stop operating DC-3 flights after July 16...
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"EU rules threaten DC-3 passengers
January 30, 2008
When new European EU-OPS regulations come into force on July 16, it is anticipated that Douglas DC-3 public transport pleasure flights will become a thing of the past. EU-OPS requires all aircraft operated on Commercial Air Transport flights, regardless of age or historic value, to comply with requirements including lockable flightdeck doors and escape slides.
This is just a taster - see March's Aeroplane magazine for the full story and pictures."
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See
http://www.aeroplanemonthly.com/news...ws_176506.html
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"EU rules threaten DC-3 passengers
January 30, 2008
When new European EU-OPS regulations come into force on July 16, it is anticipated that Douglas DC-3 public transport pleasure flights will become a thing of the past. EU-OPS requires all aircraft operated on Commercial Air Transport flights, regardless of age or historic value, to comply with requirements including lockable flightdeck doors and escape slides.
This is just a taster - see March's Aeroplane magazine for the full story and pictures."
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When new European EU-OPS regulations come into force on July 16, it is anticipated that Douglas DC-3 public transport pleasure flights will become a thing of the past. EU-OPS requires all aircraft operated on Commercial Air Transport flights, regardless of age or historic value, to comply with requirements including lockable flightdeck doors and escape slides.
The full report in 'Aeroplane' mentions more than doors and slides. To comply with EU-OPS also requires the installation of Wx radar, cockpit voice recorder, emergency lighting and crew protective breathing equipment.
As for jumping out of the emergency exit, apparently the sill height is 4 inches higher than regulations permit!
As for jumping out of the emergency exit, apparently the sill height is 4 inches higher than regulations permit!
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spekesoftly. Thanks for that, please forgive my blase attitude,I just find it incredible that the EU can kill off the commercial use of an aeroplane that has been flying for some 60+ years. I just think that people should be given the choice to make their own decision whether they fly in an aircraft that was not designed to met the current evacuation regulations.
MReyn24050. Thank you for your kind reply, but there's nothing to forgive. I very much share your sentiments, and only mentioned the additional items to illustrate the extent of the problem facing Air Atlantique.
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So this new directive will kill off flights in passenger aircraft built before what date - 1960's?
Am I right in thinking that for some of these venerable old machines money earned from passenger flights is a major source of income to help keep them in an airworthy condition? It seems that the EU will ground a number of aircraft.
Will air displays be affected also?
Am I right in thinking that for some of these venerable old machines money earned from passenger flights is a major source of income to help keep them in an airworthy condition? It seems that the EU will ground a number of aircraft.
Will air displays be affected also?
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Perhaps they could also ban historic cars that don't comply with EU motoring regulations such as no seat-belts, no airbags, cross-ply tyres, drum brakes, no GPS navigation system etc.
Then they could also ban steam trains for rail enthusiasts as their must be a 101 rules that a 1930's steam locomotive wouldn't comply with, lets see OH&S for the driver and fireman, the list goes on!!!
Why have Communism when the EU can be so much more restrictive in life's pleasures!
Then they could also ban steam trains for rail enthusiasts as their must be a 101 rules that a 1930's steam locomotive wouldn't comply with, lets see OH&S for the driver and fireman, the list goes on!!!
Why have Communism when the EU can be so much more restrictive in life's pleasures!
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Don,t worry they have already been having in depth discusion regarding the matter of older vehicles for anumber of years now, the upsetting news of the new regulations on aircraft has been a long time comming but they were determined to get there way on this one.....
THE ONLY ANSWER ,CHAPS(ESSES) IS TO GET HOLD OF YOUR MEP AND give him an earful; and if I knew how to I would. Who is the MEP for Transport? Is it that twit Kinnock? We(Pprune ) got them (Govnmt) to allow a VC to come here,now it`s time to kick the Euro pean b%$$£$s into submission.`They` ,of course, don`t have long memories/history/want to forget there ever was a WW2, be huggy-huggy and forget the part that Daks/DC-4 played in setting Europe free...just so they could instigate stupid regulations, based on false suppositions, about aircraft that fly primarily VFR,FOR PLEASURE, HISTORY, and should in no way be classified alongside your modern pay -as-you-go, cram -them in ,bucket-and -spade brigade.......I`ll calm down now-has there been any consultation over this? how long for ? usually a few days ? just so no-one can organise a defence....or should I mention the War.. France,Belgium, Netherlands, Denmark...How long before they gave in...history repeats !! Anyone care to take up the Cudgels...even to kick them where it hurts ?
I think there are also a couple of DH Dragons still operating pleasure flights
Will air displays be affected also?
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Some how I feel the best route is for all those who wish to fly on these acft, should become members of the 'Supporters Club' Thus fly for free as 'team members' and not fare paying pax. No 'Hire & Reward' rules apply.
Am I being thick here, or just overly simple? I don't doubt that Mike C. has already thought this one out.
Am I being thick here, or just overly simple? I don't doubt that Mike C. has already thought this one out.
"Only applies to aircraft configured for more than 19 pax."
So that means Lufthansa's Ju52 won't be affected then.
Funny, that.....
So that means Lufthansa's Ju52 won't be affected then.
Funny, that.....
Sorry, my brevity has misled. The actual wording should be:
"Aircraft having a maximum approved seating configuration of more than 19 passengers"
I don't think you can simply install fewer seats to comply.
"Aircraft having a maximum approved seating configuration of more than 19 passengers"
I don't think you can simply install fewer seats to comply.
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"Aircraft having a maximum approved seating configuration of more than 19 passengers"
Pity... Indeed it would have been far more easier to just "chuck out" some seats...
We will hear more from Michael Collett on his plans for Classic Flight/Air Atlantique on or after next Tuesday, see
http://www.skycontrol.net/history/la...test-airliner/ ...
"Although the regulations also affect other classic aircraft in the Air Atlantique fleet, including he de Havilland Dragon Rapide and Scottish Aviation Twin Pioneer, because they are significantly smaller than the DC-3, the regulations which they must meet are far less onerous. These aircraft can be expected to continue to fly on."
Pity... Indeed it would have been far more easier to just "chuck out" some seats...
We will hear more from Michael Collett on his plans for Classic Flight/Air Atlantique on or after next Tuesday, see
http://www.skycontrol.net/history/la...test-airliner/ ...
"Although the regulations also affect other classic aircraft in the Air Atlantique fleet, including he de Havilland Dragon Rapide and Scottish Aviation Twin Pioneer, because they are significantly smaller than the DC-3, the regulations which they must meet are far less onerous. These aircraft can be expected to continue to fly on."
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When Reg Ansett was trying to get his airline off the ground (so to speak) no one was permitted to run a transport service in opposition to the railways. He got around the problem by taking out a green grocers licence and sold oranges. For each orange you got a free trip to the capital city - oranges were a might expensive tho. More than one way to skin a cat.