Vulcan XH 558 Threads (merged)
BEagle,
PLEASE! Let your obsession with this young man's bottom go..................
PLEASE! Let your obsession with this young man's bottom go..................
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Eddie posted this over at TVOC forums regarding displays:
Seeing the Vulcan over Dunsfold is going to be rather special. 
Originally Posted by eddief
Based on everything I know:-
Waddington = possible but only static
Fairford = probable display
Farnborough = almost certain display
Dunsfold = certain display (my home village)
Waddington = possible but only static
Fairford = probable display
Farnborough = almost certain display
Dunsfold = certain display (my home village)
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Airsound,
Why so definite the Vulcan won't be allowed to fly at Waddington??
TVOC have a "Serviceable" aircraft, the organisers are expecting us, we have personnel and materiel allocated and plans made. We intend to take her home after a very long absence, all we require is:
1. CAA Permit to Fly.
2. Display Authority for pilot/s.
Assuming MA have submitted the paperwork, the above could still be achievable with CAA co-operation.
We live in hope, but it is a paperwork exercise and is genuinely beyond our control.
Why so definite the Vulcan won't be allowed to fly at Waddington??
TVOC have a "Serviceable" aircraft, the organisers are expecting us, we have personnel and materiel allocated and plans made. We intend to take her home after a very long absence, all we require is:
1. CAA Permit to Fly.
2. Display Authority for pilot/s.
Assuming MA have submitted the paperwork, the above could still be achievable with CAA co-operation.
We live in hope, but it is a paperwork exercise and is genuinely beyond our control.
Permit to Fly
Can someone explain to me why a Vulcan bomber is allowed to do several test flights in a bid to get a permit to fly, but then has to sit on the ground after successfully completing it's test flight programme waiting for a permit to fly?
Airsound mentions the possibility of an appearance at Waddo with some goodwill from the CAA to allow a ferry flight. So what's the difference is doing a transit flight to Waddo AFTER successful completion of a test flight programme, and doing ferryflights to Cottesmore for a compass swing DURING a test flight programme?
Sorry, but this doesn't seem to make any sense to me.
Airsound mentions the possibility of an appearance at Waddo with some goodwill from the CAA to allow a ferry flight. So what's the difference is doing a transit flight to Waddo AFTER successful completion of a test flight programme, and doing ferryflights to Cottesmore for a compass swing DURING a test flight programme?
Sorry, but this doesn't seem to make any sense to me.
Flights undertaken as part of a test flight programme to gain certification or permit are an essential part of the process. Any other flight is not, and requires dispensation.
We are hopefully assuming that the Vulcan test flight programme was successful, but won't know for certain until all the paperwork has been scrutinised and the permit has been granted.
We are hopefully assuming that the Vulcan test flight programme was successful, but won't know for certain until all the paperwork has been scrutinised and the permit has been granted.
Biker Boy
You're partly right, BB - I should have remembered one enduring facet of the Vulcan project. It's like the British wx - if you don't like it, stick around, and it'll be different.
When I posted on 27 June, I chose the word 'permitted' carefully. I was distinguishing between the Permit to Fly, which, with good will, looks like happening in good time, and the Display Authorisation, which last week looked practically impossible in time for the show.
Now, without in any way committing myself, or anyone else come to that, I now believe it might be slightly less than impossible. I'm not sure I'd dare go firm on a definite maybe, but.....
I think I should give up forecasting. And stick around in case things get to be different
airsound
Why so definite the Vulcan won't be allowed to fly at Waddington??
When I posted on 27 June, I chose the word 'permitted' carefully. I was distinguishing between the Permit to Fly, which, with good will, looks like happening in good time, and the Display Authorisation, which last week looked practically impossible in time for the show.
Now, without in any way committing myself, or anyone else come to that, I now believe it might be slightly less than impossible. I'm not sure I'd dare go firm on a definite maybe, but.....
I think I should give up forecasting. And stick around in case things get to be different
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yeah
i saw it to
great news, now i dont have to get up at 3 in the morning and drive to RIAT!
filmed it when it made the last flight over RAF cottesmore in the 90's when it "retired" but managed to miss all the test flights since the rebuild!
i saw it to
great news, now i dont have to get up at 3 in the morning and drive to RIAT!
filmed it when it made the last flight over RAF cottesmore in the 90's when it "retired" but managed to miss all the test flights since the rebuild!
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And a bit more.
Breaking news live on BBC EMT
Vulcan xh558 has at 13:35 been cleared by the CAA for airshow displays and will be appearing at this weekends RAF Waddington airshow along with RIAT and Farnborough later on.
Vulcan xh558 has at 13:35 been cleared by the CAA for airshow displays and will be appearing at this weekends RAF Waddington airshow along with RIAT and Farnborough later on.
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Well done to all who made this possible. I look forward to arranging a trip back to the UK that coincides with one of the displays as I need to have some dental fillings shaken out.
That just indicates the a/c has been cleared by the CAA to fly to Waddo for static display as we expected........
But.........can the pilots get a DA in time to display.......less likely, but should do by RIAT I would have thought.
But.........can the pilots get a DA in time to display.......less likely, but should do by RIAT I would have thought.
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It is not a question of MoD run displays. Plenty of civvy aircraft there, and all come under CAA regs.
A DA authority/approval is given only after the examiner has 'tasted' the display.
A DA authority/approval is given only after the examiner has 'tasted' the display.
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Suggest checking this - it's updated at 01.00hrs each night.
GINFO Search Results | Aircraft Register | Safety Regulation
GINFO Search Results | Aircraft Register | Safety Regulation
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Got told at work today that Waddington should be doing some sort of press release tomorrow w.r.t. 558 - should get some more info then.
This was after the BBC news link BBC NEWS | England | Vulcan may join ground show appeared.
Over on the Tvoc forums there seems to be a bet going for having 'Welcome home' painted on the runway
This was after the BBC news link BBC NEWS | England | Vulcan may join ground show appeared.
Over on the Tvoc forums there seems to be a bet going for having 'Welcome home' painted on the runway
According to other fora and the TVOC website, the Permit to Fly has been granted today
She is due off shortly from Brunters for an arrival Waddo 1700L apparently.
In that case, looking forward to seeing her at RIAT next weekend, flying if the DA can be sorted, let's hope!
She is due off shortly from Brunters for an arrival Waddo 1700L apparently.
In that case, looking forward to seeing her at RIAT next weekend, flying if the DA can be sorted, let's hope!
