Exrigger

andrewmcharlton: What I find amazing is the comment
this has been the whole point of the comments here and on the TVOC forum, it is also apparent he has not read that forum on their own web site, prior to post deletions and then hiding the forum behind closed doors where we still are kept in the dark.

Perhaps he might answer the burning question for the club membership; why when we are asked to dig deep again and ask what they are doing to secure funding we get a big fat silence. When we, the membership, come up with initiatives of our own recognicence we are castigated for causing problems, as we apparently are upsetting people that have allready been contacted which makes it our fault that funding is not forthcoming.
So TVOC management passed this on to the membership when ?, or told us who you would like us to contact on your behalf to add support for the project when ?.

andrewmcharlton

couldnt agree more, it is on the list to go to them and has been mentioned by almost everyone as a source of anger.

daddy flm

hi guys

i for one support the engineers atempts to keep their house in order
it must be hard when you think you are getting shaffted on both sides

good to se the anti-dets went ok i assume as no cards have been raised

smiler have you got anymore pocket money yet to give to mr m

or are you still working on it as i told you last week detachments look good for march and c130j course most of april dont know how its all going to fall in place

to meet the 1st of june

Exrigger

daddy flm; I don't think that there is anyone who has at anytime criticised, or moaned about, the engineers, they have done a sterling effort, in fact almost the impossible and deserve all the praise we can give them, Smiler gives engineering updates when there is something to be written, I look forward to his latest re. the anti det runs.

daddy flm

With respect exrigger i will agree with you on that point the true supporters of the project the general public have not
the doubts of our integrity and indeed personal attacks have come from the tvoc.

The suspension of approvalls was described by tvoc management as a systematic campagne to discredit the tvoc by the ma engineers as we all want to work for tvoc as we are unhappy with our current employers.

Total and utter bull

This hid the fact that they had messed up and got caught to which they have paid for. The approvalls were reinstated for anti-dets to be carried out which to smilers credit they carried out this week.

So to the somewhat rosey updates to state that the caa and approvall issue did not exsist and the delay in not test flying was down to the weather etc is a bit away from the truth you must remember smiler and co report to the party line of all is well when we all know it is not the case

I also think that the back stabbing and tit for tat postings have a lot of relevant issues but agree that we all should regroup and support the return to flight and let tvoc management proceed with trying to find funding the longer they take to find the 85 - 100 k needed the cost will continue to rise as more things come up on out of phase or scedule maintenance like safety equipment ,seats etc this will hike up the time and price also the availability of spares and manpower will be an issue.

PPRuNe Pop

So long as everyone realises that anything even approaching libel will be seriously frowned upon. Just a gentle reminder

So far everyone is thinking before they submit their post. Long may it continue.

PPP

rs2kmk5

If you would like access to the TVOC forum, why not just join up - this provides a donation to the cause and gives all the access you could want, plus other benefits.

It may be frustrating to you that the forum is now for paid-up members, but hey, those of us already on there have in some small way pledged our allegiance to the cause simply by becoming paid up members.

I'm not belittling anyone who is not, or who does not want to be a member, or anyone who's not a member but has made a contribution to the cause to date, - but, please! For what it costs to become a member, and at the same time know you've contributed in some small way to the cause - what do you have to lose?

Freedom of speech? Surely as a site of aviation enthusiasts, why there is so much 'anti' I do not know. If everyone got behind the project, who knows what it would lead to? A shared respect? More projects reaching fruition? More A/C available for the display circuit? Happier enthusiasts?

vickyv

Daddy flm!!!!!
i would be very surprised if the tvoc management toe the line.they are too arrogant and acn't wait to get rid of ma so they can do their own thing.Then god help us.

daddy flm

well well vicky v

as you know i cant say anythinhg about the management the reputation proceeds them as one of the engineers all i will say that the lack of aviation expierience a few years in the raf and the rest in power stations decommisions and a ceo who was responsible for the rise of cissco computors i think they may now be aware that enthusiasim and indeed enthusiasts in the aircraft world is a difficult and differant subject.

the opertunities were there for all to see in the 2 1/2 years we were there but they never took any suggestions on board unless it came from the upstairs office

i dont know who you are but would like to get together to slip a few ideas to you and hammer in a few things

forget

Daddy, Could you please run your creations through a spell and grammar check before you actually post them. There doin my ed in.

goudie

Same here Forget. I'm not sure if this guy is for real. Certainly writing in a strange fashion.

Cypherus

If it is then something very traumatic has happened too the gentleman in question.

However whoever is making the posts or why, it does closley resemble the true picture of the yawning chasm that appears to exist between the TVOC board members and the supporters and general public.

The Board members have repeatedly ignored the overwhelming number of questions that have been levelled at them and their collective perfomance while in pursuit of the projects aims and whle I understand that a lot of what goes on will be both legally and politically sensitive the lack of direct response from them has at times led to a situation that has in the view of many hindered the support channel and has I am certain led many to either withhold or withdraw from offerings they may have been tempted to give.

The recent closure of the Forum too general public access so soon after the first flight has also led to concern at least amoung those I have spoken too which includes former Vulcan aircrew, now being replaced by a stagnant poorly laid out hard to reach heavily censored scruffy little web page tagged onto the TVOC website that bear little resemblance too the vibrant orignal which has more than probably led to many who might have joined and contributed now being left with no where to place that support.

Sorry but whatever the cause for this change it has not done the project one jot of good.

BEagle

It's also an UTTER pain to navigate! You cannot save the 'Forum' as a 'Favorite' - even though you might click 'remember me for future visits', every time you have to go through the 'Club area' and thence to the forum. Which itself is not the easiest to search.......

Still, my monthly contribution went out today.

The Swinging Monkey

I must be missing something here.................

Andrew,
Pleming and the rest of the top brass have never read Pprune?
Presumably, Pleming and the rest of the top brass have never read their own forum either eh? What a load of tosh!

And Pleming was unaware of the concerns amongst the public? More tosh!
I know dozens of people who have e mailed him and written to him, and who have not even had the courtesy of a reply from anyone at Brunters, let alone Pleming. It's shameful.

Andrew, do you think that the reason you got a call was becuase of your threat to write to the CC under the FOI act? It does seem strange that you now suddenly get a responce from him, or am I being a bit cynical?? Maybe we should all write to the CC and copy it to Pleming - maybe we will all get a call!

And the reason they have declined to honour their legal oblications in submitting accounts and reports to the CC was on 'professional advice'? What sort of professional advises you to break the law? Hmm, very strange.

And do I understand that we are now going to be asked for more money, but in smaller chunks eh? (to make it sound better!) And you say Andrew, that there is no need to panic? Does that mean that Plemings latest call of 'cough up or it dies' was a bit of a porky or just a bit misleading? If there is no need to panic, then presumably there are funds available. Or is there? No one in the public knows, because there are no accounts for any of us to see.

Dear oh dear, what a complete 'cake & ar$e' party this really is.

I have decided not to send anymore money until we are able to see the accounts and get a straight forward statement from Pleming about what the hell is going on. It is utterly disgraceful that a so-called manager of a project such as this, can treat the very people who pay his wages in such a shabby and insulting fashion.

TSM

Nige321

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The good Dr P is a Ppruner...

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daddy flm

Spill check set two maximummy. Dislexia rules KO.

Traumatic events 2 1/2 years working for TVOC

goudie

No, not a new question but the first post on this thread.
Seems nothing's changed apart from the one flight.

Dis Gruntled

I worked on the project as a contract engineer for the majority of last year until first flight and i can truthfully say that this guy is totally for real and has his finger on a very large number of pulses. So when he says something take it as red. I however have no connection with TVOC or MA now so am free too answer all questions (as long as its not libelous and i know the answers) so feel free too ask away

Dave Marshall

Dis Gruntled

This guy is totally for real having worked with him right up to first flight I can categorically say i would believe him over a lot of other people

goudie

Apologies for my doubts.