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Gonzo


I've been trying to find any public domain material on the HLF submission, specifically any details of the education aspects.
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WHAT education aspects? the education manager has been in post some 13-4 months and as yet I have seen NO evidence of an Education Aspect to this project.... whats she been doing for 13 months????

bubblesuk

This is the link to the education bit on the site, hope it helps but dont shout at me if it dosnt!


Vulcan to the Sky Trust - Avro Vulcan Bomber XH558 - Vulcan To The Sky Trust

Tim McLelland

whats she been doing for 13 months?

er... let me guess...

srobarts

Isn't this symptomatic of the whole current situation. Negative press releases and lack of information.
At this time of needing more funding they should be trumpeting last years achievements to show providers of funds what the money produces over and above the appearance at Airshows.
Saying if we don't pay up the Vulcan won't be able to fly again is not good enough. How many pupils from how many schools plan to make educational visits this year? How does that compare with last year? What Airshows are already booked for 2009? If departments are not performing then they should show they have an action plan to either get them to perform or reduce the cost associated with the department.

Pleming may well have been the right man to bring the project to its first year of displays, but I can't help thinking the leadership needs to change towards a much more positive thinking promotional style. It. can't be easy for the team to generate the enthusiasm when they work under the Pleming Sword of Damocles...

andrewmcharlton

Well if you look at the slideshow which is available to view under the educational section abut the history I think, it winds up begging for money too, the only thing it is short of is asking for their pocket money.

Surely in all the reference works available some good informative educational information should be online for people of all ages and interests to capture their imagination.

srobarts

Look at the properties of the pdf file- the author is one R Pleming. Nuff said

Tim McLelland

Maybe that's part of his educational package - teaching kids that if they play their cards right, they might get an inexplicably well-paid job like his when they grow up?

andrewmcharlton

Tim,

Whilst I support the quest for truth etc you have to stop the constant personal zoning in in Dr P.

I agree that he is (or his company) paid a handsome sum but that point has been made to death and not really relevant to the educational aspect mate.

bubblesuk

One of my friends is involved in the education program at Brunty and i did speak to her this morning to post some information on what is done etc, but after reading a couple of the posts since mine last night i wont bother, i simpy have neither the time nor the wish to feed the troll anymore, if you want to know why T.V.O.C. have been reluctent to use this another fora then the answer is on this very page.

andrewmcharlton

I for one would love to see her / him / them post some information. If misconceptions can be set aside it's good for everyone and the project.

The issue about not posting on here due to perceptions and beliefs I think is misguided. If the doubters are won over what a difference it would make and not posting because you think you'll get slated or asked awkward questions is the opposite of what is needed.

I hope you could persuade them to talk to us, after all, is it not still the case that you can't post on the VTST forum unless you pay their membership fees (unless things have changed in which case apologies).

bubblesuk

I will ask again though i doubt i will have any success, i dont know enough personally about the education aspect to be able to say what it entails but i do know that it is something taken seriously, its less of a case of perceptions and beliefs but rather a case of individuals who for whatever reason have an issue with T.V.O.C. and use the various fora to pounce on anything posted, i know my friend has no wish to have her efforts torn to bits by disgruntled people. The T.V.O.C. forum is viewable in parts but im not sure if it is possible to post on there.

DeepestSouth

This is very sad and, I would suggest, misguided. Misunderstanding and misconceptions can never be challenged and resolved by simply withdrawing from communication. Far better to make your case, respond to comments and suggestions, and strive to get people on board rather than leaving them to speculate and assume that the 'gossip' is true.

In addition, marketig theory, practice, commonsense and my own experience all tell me that ANY feedback an organisation can get from its potential customers is very useful indeed in understanding your market. In trying to understand what the 'market' of potential donors thinks, I'd place an aviation website pretty high up the list, and PPrune higher up than many others!

BTW, I am a VTST Member and donor and I'm now off to chuck another tenner in the pot!

bubblesuk

I agree However the reluctence is due to various individuals constant use of this forum to have a go at whatever T.V.O.C. does, sometimes it seems that they could say that everything is great, they have loads of money and everyone involved is a sheer b****y genius and someone would still whinge about something! My friend is a normal person who gives their time to help out and in her own words she has " no wish to have my efforts used by spoilt children to have another i hate T.V.O.C. rant" her words not mine. Sorry if that upsets anyone but her view is based on reading this and other fora and to be honest i dont blame her.

Tim McLelland

Andrew, I suggest you read the contents of Post 1989 and 1990 before making a comment like that about my post!

Likewise, you suggestion that I "stop zoning in" on poor Dr.P is probably the daftest thing I've heard in quite a while. For heaven's sake, if he's not the crux of the problem then who the hell is?!

bubblesuk

Prove it then Tim, you keep boring us all to death with this so you prove to us that he is the crux of all the problems and i will give £100 to the charity of your choice, i for one am sick to the back teeth of your petty hate campaign, so you show me the proof and il stump up the cash.

Tim McLelland

bubbles This thread is for discussion of the Vulcan project, simple as that. If you don't happen to agree with me (and the others who share my views) that's fine, but please confine your comments to the project and stop this constant sniping at me. I've tried (as have others) to hold a sensible discussion/argument with you, but you simply ignore what is said. It's very tedious to be constantly having to reply to you and the other readers of this thread obviously don't want to hear about it. I think we've all established that you think that TVOC/Dr Pleming is doing a great job. Okay, enough already, you'll just have to accept that quite a few others (myself included) happen to think otherwise. Now, can we please move on?

HZ123

Is there any chance of the Vulcan doing a photo shoot at the SEN airshow and steaming along the seafront? All please note my request.

bubblesuk

That was exactly the response i expected Tim, when challenged to prove your claims of Pleming being the crux of T.V.O.C.'s problems you do your usual and start the waffle, i think you will find that i have been discussing 558 and the project and it is you that have been having ago may i refer you to what Andrew said about "personal zoning"? I dont think that Pleming has done a good job, nor do i think he has done a bad job as i simply do not have sufficient solid and reliable information to make a decision, that however has'nt stopped you from constantly attacking the guy, and i guess from your post you wont be taking me up on my offer then? That in its self speaks volumes so i suggest you take your own advice.

All i have ever asked is why he is useless etc and at no point have i attacked you or made it personal in any shape or form.

Tim McLelland

don't you ever shut up?

Tim McLelland

HZ123 What is the SEN airshow?

I suppose any venue is possible if the organisers shell-out enough cash, although I guess it all rather depends if 558 participates in this year's air show calendar. If the info from TVOC is correct then one assumes that the project will have been wrapped-up by then.

Incidentally, I doubt if 558 would be "steaming" along anywhere, given that there are fatigue convservation limits to be considered now, and CAA safety rules just to make sure you never get too close to anything and enjoy yourself too much!