I agree However the reluctence is due to various individuals constant use of this forum to have a go at whatever T.V.O.C. does, sometimes it seems that they could say that everything is great, they have loads of money and everyone involved is a sheer b****y genius and someone would still whinge about something! My friend is a normal person who gives their time to help out and in her own words she has " no wish to have my efforts used by spoilt children to have another i hate T.V.O.C. rant" her words not mine. Sorry if that upsets anyone but her view is based on reading this and other fora and to be honest i dont blame her.