Vulcan to the Sky, The End? (Merged)
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Reading the AGM file can someone tell me what the £500,000 cost overrun was. Tim's mate
Dr Pleming said he couldnt say.
Dr Pleming said he couldnt say.
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£500,000
SFAIK it was something to do with contracted or planned work being done late and at an unforseen increased cost. Can't be more specific at the moment. It may been in one of the previous 160+ entries on this thread!
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Thanks for that.
Another question What were the staff in Dorset doing ?
Another question What were the staff in Dorset doing ?
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Would this be an appropriate time to suggest a call to the Serious Fraud Office??
Well, I as a donator would like to know where my money went... I donated to get the old bird back into the air, not to fund the staff's away days and dinners! (or what ever other 'aditionals' there were!)
Well, I as a donator would like to know where my money went... I donated to get the old bird back into the air, not to fund the staff's away days and dinners! (or what ever other 'aditionals' there were!)
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Originally Posted by andrewmcharlton
From companies house...
Name & Registered Office:
THE VULCAN OPERATING COMPANY LIMITED
LACEYS SOLICITORS
5 POOLE ROAD
BOURNEMOUTH
DORSET BH2 5QL
Company No. 03787161
Status: Active
Date of Incorporation: 10/06/1999
Country of Origin: United Kingdom
Company Type: Private Limited Company
Nature of Business (SIC(03)):
9999 - Dormant Company
Accounting Reference Date: 30/06
Last Accounts Made Up To: 30/06/2004 (DORMANT)
Next Accounts Due: 30/04/2006 OVERDUE
Last Return Made Up To: 10/06/2005
Next Return Due: 08/07/2006 OVERDUE
Surely some mistake ??? Dormant ???
Name & Registered Office:
THE VULCAN OPERATING COMPANY LIMITED
LACEYS SOLICITORS
5 POOLE ROAD
BOURNEMOUTH
DORSET BH2 5QL
Company No. 03787161
Status: Active
Date of Incorporation: 10/06/1999
Country of Origin: United Kingdom
Company Type: Private Limited Company
Nature of Business (SIC(03)):
9999 - Dormant Company
Accounting Reference Date: 30/06
Last Accounts Made Up To: 30/06/2004 (DORMANT)
Next Accounts Due: 30/04/2006 OVERDUE
Last Return Made Up To: 10/06/2005
Next Return Due: 08/07/2006 OVERDUE
Surely some mistake ??? Dormant ???
You put the same misleading information on the VOC website and were shot down in flames, twice , by somebody who found the correct information !! Maybe you haven't had time to put the correct info on here yet...!
Your constant s*#t stirring is becoming tedious
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Originally Posted by country calls
As a current Hercules operator I have a word association exercise often used at a secret Wilts Airbase:
Brewery
P!ss up
Organise
Cambridge
Overbudget
Late
Delivery
Simply group all the words and find a common link!
Brewery
P!ss up
Organise
Cambridge
Overbudget
Late
Delivery
Simply group all the words and find a common link!
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Interesting concept that you think asking Directors of a charitable trust to account for their spending of donations plus tax payers gift aid and failing to provide their statutory accounts on time is stirring.
Perhaps if you were donating your hard earned you might feel somewhat agrieved.
Perhaps if you were donating your hard earned you might feel somewhat agrieved.
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Whitworth is upset because they switched from this ltd co to a charitable trust, my mistake, although the web site still refers to TVOC throughout. I am happy to clarify. None the less, the accounts are still late and they are bound by even more directors and trustees obligations being a charity.
Apologies for confusion.
Apologies for confusion.
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Nothing dormant about this one!
VULCAN TO THE SKY TRUST
LACEYS SOLICITORS
5 POOLE ROAD
BOURNEMOUTH
DORSET BH2 5QL
Company No. 04478686
Status: Active
Date of Incorporation: 05/07/2002
Country of Origin: United Kingdom
Company Type: PRI/LBG/NSC/S.30 (Private, limited by guarantee, no share capital, section 30 of the Companies Act)
Nature of Business (SIC(03)):
9305 - Other service activities
Accounting Reference Date: 31/07
Last Accounts Made Up To: 31/07/2004 (GROUP)
Next Accounts Due: 31/05/2006 OVERDUE
Last Return Made Up To: 05/07/2005
Next Return Due: 02/08/2006
slightly more than a 'simple error' methinks
VULCAN TO THE SKY TRUST
LACEYS SOLICITORS
5 POOLE ROAD
BOURNEMOUTH
DORSET BH2 5QL
Company No. 04478686
Status: Active
Date of Incorporation: 05/07/2002
Country of Origin: United Kingdom
Company Type: PRI/LBG/NSC/S.30 (Private, limited by guarantee, no share capital, section 30 of the Companies Act)
Nature of Business (SIC(03)):
9305 - Other service activities
Accounting Reference Date: 31/07
Last Accounts Made Up To: 31/07/2004 (GROUP)
Next Accounts Due: 31/05/2006 OVERDUE
Last Return Made Up To: 05/07/2005
Next Return Due: 02/08/2006
slightly more than a 'simple error' methinks
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whitworth that's out of order, it was a simple error based on the fact that the website, the url and the text in their letters / PR refers to TVOC. You clearly feel smug in highlighting my error once it had already been pointed out to you, very well done, take a brownie point.
Do you donate ? Do you believe that the directors have acted in the best interests of the charity and the company at all times even where this is to the detriment to their own personal position ? Thats their legal obligation. Doubtless we will get a full and frank explanation of what is going on, oh hang on we can't can we, others have suggested that FI is in France running the project remotely and the good doctor is off sick accorind to others, meanwhile the hard working lads and lasses get their notice.
Do you donate ? Do you believe that the directors have acted in the best interests of the charity and the company at all times even where this is to the detriment to their own personal position ? Thats their legal obligation. Doubtless we will get a full and frank explanation of what is going on, oh hang on we can't can we, others have suggested that FI is in France running the project remotely and the good doctor is off sick accorind to others, meanwhile the hard working lads and lasses get their notice.
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I emailed Dr Pleming yesterday to ask what is going-on.
So far no reply.
I emailed FlyPast (Ken Delve) yesterday to ask if they (as the leading preservation forum) could step-in and find-out what's goin on.
So far no reply.
Not very encouraging, is it?
So far no reply.
I emailed FlyPast (Ken Delve) yesterday to ask if they (as the leading preservation forum) could step-in and find-out what's goin on.
So far no reply.
Not very encouraging, is it?
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Tim,
You won't get a reply from the good Dr P although you will probably fair better from Ken D.
I have written to Dr P on many occasions and I know many others who have done likewise. It would appear that replying to letters is beneath him.
The thing I will never understand about the whole of this project is the lack of forsight on the parts of those in charge. Anyone who has operated any type of flying machine knows only too well that there ARE hidden costs. Even with the best will in the world, there will be something that is forgotten. My problem is, that here was a man, with NO? avaiation background, certainly no military avaition background, who took on something, that he clearly didn't know enough about. Was there any military 'experts' involved? I don't mean flyers, I mean ex Sengo's and the like?
I think (and hope) that someone, somewhere will instigate some kind of formal investigation into the whole fiasco.
Kind regards to all
TSM
You won't get a reply from the good Dr P although you will probably fair better from Ken D.
I have written to Dr P on many occasions and I know many others who have done likewise. It would appear that replying to letters is beneath him.
The thing I will never understand about the whole of this project is the lack of forsight on the parts of those in charge. Anyone who has operated any type of flying machine knows only too well that there ARE hidden costs. Even with the best will in the world, there will be something that is forgotten. My problem is, that here was a man, with NO? avaiation background, certainly no military avaition background, who took on something, that he clearly didn't know enough about. Was there any military 'experts' involved? I don't mean flyers, I mean ex Sengo's and the like?
I think (and hope) that someone, somewhere will instigate some kind of formal investigation into the whole fiasco.
Kind regards to all
TSM
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Ken Delve left FlyPast (Key Publishing) a couple of years back and was last heard of in Dubai so you might not get a reply anytime soon!
Perhaps contacting Ken Ellis at FlyPast might help?
Perhaps contacting Ken Ellis at FlyPast might help?
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Well the ball's proverbially in Pleming's court. If he doesn't reply in a couple of days, I'll write again and point-out that I will write-up his lack of response when I complete my new Vulcan book. If he wants to be on record as being unwilling to even answer an email, that's entirely his choice I guess! But I'll wait and see - I don't want to be unfair about this, and if he can explain the saga then all well and good. If he can't, then obviously I can only report the situation as I see it.
As for FlyPast, I doubt if they'll bother to reply. There's no material gain in it for Key Publishing...
As for FlyPast, I doubt if they'll bother to reply. There's no material gain in it for Key Publishing...
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Okay, okay, some concrete news at last! I have received a very full and comprehensive reply from Dr Pleming, and in fairness to him, I should say that he appears to be happy to discuss the project and that the situation might not be as bad as it has sounded. I will endeavour to go into the various details with him and if I find-out more I will post-up some news when I have it, but suffice to say that the project isn't off the rails just yet!
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Tim,
I am eagerly waiting to hear what the good Dr had to say, especially the bit about "the situation might not be as bad as it has sounded"
What on earth does that mean then?
Don't keep us hanging on too long please Tim.
Kind regards
TSM
I am eagerly waiting to hear what the good Dr had to say, especially the bit about "the situation might not be as bad as it has sounded"
What on earth does that mean then?
Don't keep us hanging on too long please Tim.
Kind regards
TSM
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../nvulcan14.xml
I have just read this in this mornings Telegraph, a bit late in the day, but hope something comes of it.
I have just read this in this mornings Telegraph, a bit late in the day, but hope something comes of it.