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I heartily agree with Philip Whiteman's post on the nature of the Old Warden main drag. Never mind the fillings, the last arrival I made on 22(?) detached my false teeth and quite spoiled my subsequent R/T. It really is bloody rough and I reckon has already done a deal of damage in the shape of the Comet though that is but speculation on my part. Our Skybolt snapped the tailwheel spring on a normal approach and touchdown about 18 months ago and that caused us a fair bit of expense and inconvenience. Visits now are usually by car since we are but 45 minutes away by road yet to get over to Leicester, get the 'bolt out of the hangar, book out, start up, taxy and depart then 20 minutes to OW, join circuit and land takes over twice as long and costs ten times as much.
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You kept that quiet Airbedane!!, (or Ive probably missed a thread elsewhere) but I have read you have repainted the Tutor in CFS display scheme colours, complete with sunburst wings! wow!!Cant wait to see that banking round the enclosure!!
Slightly off thread, but in connection with Spits with clipped wings, I only recently found out that MH434 left the factory with clipped wings and went on to serve with both the Belgian and Dutch Air Forces in that configuration.Only when she was bought privately in the UK as G-ASJV were the tips fitted. Surely the longest serving consistent airshow performer??
Back on thread -never did get a reply concerning the cost of repainting the Glad back in RAF markings. Now I dont want to sound offish here but I for one would much rather see the cash thats being spent on completely repainting your new Jungmann being turned to restoring the Gladiator to her former glory. The Jungmann could survive a year in civvy marks I'm sure without much protest, but that Glad deserves better!!
please.......pretty please... comments anyone??
Slightly off thread, but in connection with Spits with clipped wings, I only recently found out that MH434 left the factory with clipped wings and went on to serve with both the Belgian and Dutch Air Forces in that configuration.Only when she was bought privately in the UK as G-ASJV were the tips fitted. Surely the longest serving consistent airshow performer??
Back on thread -never did get a reply concerning the cost of repainting the Glad back in RAF markings. Now I dont want to sound offish here but I for one would much rather see the cash thats being spent on completely repainting your new Jungmann being turned to restoring the Gladiator to her former glory. The Jungmann could survive a year in civvy marks I'm sure without much protest, but that Glad deserves better!!
please.......pretty please... comments anyone??
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The Tutor's a secret until next season.......I think!?
Apologies on the Glad paint estimate, Hairyclameater, I'll do the research and let you know. From your point of view, the downside is that the Glad has recently been worked on and is therefore, good for a few more years. The Jungmann needs the fabric off in places, so we need to repaint anyway. In the end, it's all down to economics and engineering time.
All I can say is: "We'll try"
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Apologies on the Glad paint estimate, Hairyclameater, I'll do the research and let you know. From your point of view, the downside is that the Glad has recently been worked on and is therefore, good for a few more years. The Jungmann needs the fabric off in places, so we need to repaint anyway. In the end, it's all down to economics and engineering time.
All I can say is: "We'll try"
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My considered thoughful reply to this excellent thread is still being formulated, but:
Gladiator. It's my wife's favourite BECAUSE it's silver. Given that she's also proofread a book on the Glad for us, (By Alex Crawford - no ads here, but it's sold v well & features said machine well) she's alowed more than one vote, I'd say!
It's also had a good few years in RAF colours, and will again, no doubt, meantime it serves as the ONLY Norwegean schemed a/c in Britain (I think?) and a reminder that it wasn't just Britain etc, in 1940... It's also a great scheme because it's different, and I just love thinking of all those reggie spotters having to check BOTH sides (you have, haven't you!)
I'm not saying don't repaint it, I'm just saying leave as is for a while - part of O/W charm is the variety and colour of the magnificent machinery - not just green grey and brown...
More soon!
Cheers
Gladiator. It's my wife's favourite BECAUSE it's silver. Given that she's also proofread a book on the Glad for us, (By Alex Crawford - no ads here, but it's sold v well & features said machine well) she's alowed more than one vote, I'd say!
It's also had a good few years in RAF colours, and will again, no doubt, meantime it serves as the ONLY Norwegean schemed a/c in Britain (I think?) and a reminder that it wasn't just Britain etc, in 1940... It's also a great scheme because it's different, and I just love thinking of all those reggie spotters having to check BOTH sides (you have, haven't you!)
I'm not saying don't repaint it, I'm just saying leave as is for a while - part of O/W charm is the variety and colour of the magnificent machinery - not just green grey and brown...
More soon!
Cheers
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Think the Tutor scheme news is far from a secret!!
Thanks for considering the Gladiator scheme - still want it back!
Have been checking tentative airshow dates for next year ...
yet again you clash with Duxford on two occasions and even Waddington for the R-R show. Presumably if you had been holding an autumn display next year you would have gone for the 10th October as Duxford have?...
Stop making it so difficult for us!, especially those like me who can usually only make the odd Sunday for non work/family etc etc events!!
There are few enough airshows around now compared to 10/20 years ago, and it seems all organisers ignore August - the biggest holiday month of the year!!
Thanks for considering the Gladiator scheme - still want it back!
Have been checking tentative airshow dates for next year ...
yet again you clash with Duxford on two occasions and even Waddington for the R-R show. Presumably if you had been holding an autumn display next year you would have gone for the 10th October as Duxford have?...
Stop making it so difficult for us!, especially those like me who can usually only make the odd Sunday for non work/family etc etc events!!
There are few enough airshows around now compared to 10/20 years ago, and it seems all organisers ignore August - the biggest holiday month of the year!!
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I've answered this one before, but it's worth a repeat.........
Up to the late eighties, we used to hold display's on the last Sunday of the month. At that time, it was noticed that we clashed with Duxford.
So we changed to the first sunday of the month and we've held shows on such days ever since, but soon after we changed, we noted that we still clashed with Duxford.
What should we do now, change back to the last Sunday of the month and see what happens?
Up to the late eighties, we used to hold display's on the last Sunday of the month. At that time, it was noticed that we clashed with Duxford.
So we changed to the first sunday of the month and we've held shows on such days ever since, but soon after we changed, we noted that we still clashed with Duxford.
What should we do now, change back to the last Sunday of the month and see what happens?
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What's the thought about some Mid-afternoon Saturday displays, say starting at 16-00 and stretching into the evening?
It would interesting to have some comments on this one!
It would interesting to have some comments on this one!
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MMMh, like the saturday idea, blends into avisit to a pub aftwards rather nicely.
Re: clash of dates, can't Shuttleworth and Dx talk to each other about dates or is that to radical an idea. Ther must be room in the display calander for both?
Re: clash of dates, can't Shuttleworth and Dx talk to each other about dates or is that to radical an idea. Ther must be room in the display calander for both?
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hairyclameater,
How about attending some of the other Shuttleworth displays that dont clash with Duxford or Waddo, but maybe clash with East Fortune, or Farnborough, or Southend, or Woodchurch, or countless others displays? Most of the Duxford shows are 2 day events, so attend one on Saturday, and the other on Sunday?
I manage to go to 20+ displays in a season, and manage to catch all the things I need to see, even if it means driving around all weekend
You can't please all of the people all of the time....
Have been checking tentative airshow dates for next year ...
yet again you clash with Duxford on two occasions and even Waddington for the R-R show. Presumably if you had been holding an autumn display next year you would have gone for the 10th October as Duxford have?...
yet again you clash with Duxford on two occasions and even Waddington for the R-R show. Presumably if you had been holding an autumn display next year you would have gone for the 10th October as Duxford have?...
I manage to go to 20+ displays in a season, and manage to catch all the things I need to see, even if it means driving around all weekend
You can't please all of the people all of the time....
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Airgage, how well you know the way my mind works! Are you thinking of The Cock? Hic!
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Zlin Re: "I manage to go to 20+ displays in a season, and manage to catch all the things I need to see, even if it means driving around all weekend"
Well lucky you!!
Aah those care free days of 10/15 days ago when I could attend 20+ airshows a year - no kids, nice easy 5 day 9 to 5, young free, single and some decent venues to visit and aeryplanes to see!!
I'd also contest the phrase "countless other shows"!?- maybe a few years ago but certainly not these days!
Like I said, Sundays are the only days I can easily escape and when I can get to Old Warden (260 mile round trip plus I drive a lot during the week - which aint nice any more) I want to see a full flying show - not a couple of hours in fading light!
I dont know what you should do Airbedane re the dates.It just appears to me that there are so many weekends with nothing happening (and its usually sunny!!) and then certain weekends with 4 or more shows.Not to mention the foreign ones which are always worth a visit!
Well lucky you!!
Aah those care free days of 10/15 days ago when I could attend 20+ airshows a year - no kids, nice easy 5 day 9 to 5, young free, single and some decent venues to visit and aeryplanes to see!!
I'd also contest the phrase "countless other shows"!?- maybe a few years ago but certainly not these days!
Like I said, Sundays are the only days I can easily escape and when I can get to Old Warden (260 mile round trip plus I drive a lot during the week - which aint nice any more) I want to see a full flying show - not a couple of hours in fading light!
I dont know what you should do Airbedane re the dates.It just appears to me that there are so many weekends with nothing happening (and its usually sunny!!) and then certain weekends with 4 or more shows.Not to mention the foreign ones which are always worth a visit!
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Air Show Dates
The Collection has tried to have dicussions with Duxford, but to no avail. Our dates are the same every year (1st Sunday of the month, and usually the 2nd Saturday) couldn't other venues look at their dates?!!
With regards to August, the Collection holds 3 shows in August the 1st Sunday, the Flying Proms and an evening show, can't really fit anymore in.
With regards to August, the Collection holds 3 shows in August the 1st Sunday, the Flying Proms and an evening show, can't really fit anymore in.
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Yeh, your right ladyanorak! Old Warden shows have been around for a long time on the same dates - the OTHER shows should show some respect and arrange their dates aound you.
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Greatest Air Race anneversary
I thought this long running thread was very good and important. As a long term fan of OW, I've been formulating my reply... While that's still formulating, here's another thought!
It's been brought to my attention that the 70th Anniversary of the Macrobertson Air Race from Mildenhall to Melbourne is this year.
Shuttleworth have the Comet. (Hoorah!) Which should be flying this year (Confirm pls? 3 cheers for 'yes')
No Boeing 247 or Fairey Foxes are airworthy in Europe (shame) but a very important Dutchman is - the DC-2 replicating Uiver, no 2 after the Comet G-ACSS in the race. As several other a/c in the race (OK, NOT the Pander either) could be mocked up by using S'worth based a/c, ('My Hildegarde' anybody?) a commemoration of the race is, theoretically, possible.
I'd LOVE to see the DC-2 & Comet in the air together. First time since 1934 I'd say, too. How historic is THAT then?
With a Thirties day on the prog already... OK, flying the DC into Old Warden isn't possible, but the DX place up the road would be.
What's the possibilities Old Warden people? Airbedane; Biggleworth, are you online? I'll say Please!
Cheers
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It's been brought to my attention that the 70th Anniversary of the Macrobertson Air Race from Mildenhall to Melbourne is this year.
Shuttleworth have the Comet. (Hoorah!) Which should be flying this year (Confirm pls? 3 cheers for 'yes')
No Boeing 247 or Fairey Foxes are airworthy in Europe (shame) but a very important Dutchman is - the DC-2 replicating Uiver, no 2 after the Comet G-ACSS in the race. As several other a/c in the race (OK, NOT the Pander either) could be mocked up by using S'worth based a/c, ('My Hildegarde' anybody?) a commemoration of the race is, theoretically, possible.
I'd LOVE to see the DC-2 & Comet in the air together. First time since 1934 I'd say, too. How historic is THAT then?
With a Thirties day on the prog already... OK, flying the DC into Old Warden isn't possible, but the DX place up the road would be.
What's the possibilities Old Warden people? Airbedane; Biggleworth, are you online? I'll say Please!
Cheers
James K
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I mooted that when I saw the DC2 at Lelystad a couple of years ago. There is quite a display featuring images of G-ACSS.
The DC2 did fly over Old Warden last year, I think during the de Havilland Moth Club Charity Weekend. Does that count?
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I mooted that when I saw the DC2 at Lelystad a couple of years ago. There is quite a display featuring images of G-ACSS.
The DC2 did fly over Old Warden last year, I think during the de Havilland Moth Club Charity Weekend. Does that count?
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Thanks VA,
You know the answer... 'NO!' What we want is airbourne, close formation, and curving around the famous O/W bend. I can dream. I'll sette for a display by both a/c on at the same S'worth show. Better would be a loose formation - is it possible? Look Airbedane, I'll say pleeeze twice...!
You know the answer... 'NO!' What we want is airbourne, close formation, and curving around the famous O/W bend. I can dream. I'll sette for a display by both a/c on at the same S'worth show. Better would be a loose formation - is it possible? Look Airbedane, I'll say pleeeze twice...!
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Sorry JDK, but the Comet is not due to fly until next year.
We've decided to postpone the next flight until the runway has been levelled and resurfaced, which is planned for next winter - starting on 13 Sep. She'll fly as soon as the runway has recovered in 2005.
We've decided to postpone the next flight until the runway has been levelled and resurfaced, which is planned for next winter - starting on 13 Sep. She'll fly as soon as the runway has recovered in 2005.
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Hi Airbedane,
Thanks for answering the point, even with a negative.
As ever, safe operation first, even if the anneversary is missed. You will be wheeling the Comet out on some airshow days and pointing at it as a pinnicle of aviation achievement even if it don't get to fly in 2004?
Can I have a hypothetical question then? Would the Collection consider sending the Comet to Lleystad (in 2005 or after) in return for a (flying!) visit to Old Warden by the DC-2?
In the UK is is easy to underestimate the importance in Holland of the success of Uiver, the fame of the crew and thus the importance of the race.
Can we have an air-race commemoration in 2005 (or 2014??
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Cheers
James
Thanks for answering the point, even with a negative.
As ever, safe operation first, even if the anneversary is missed. You will be wheeling the Comet out on some airshow days and pointing at it as a pinnicle of aviation achievement even if it don't get to fly in 2004?Can I have a hypothetical question then? Would the Collection consider sending the Comet to Lleystad (in 2005 or after) in return for a (flying!) visit to Old Warden by the DC-2?
In the UK is is easy to underestimate the importance in Holland of the success of Uiver, the fame of the crew and thus the importance of the race.
Can we have an air-race commemoration in 2005 (or 2014??
)Cheers
James