Well, one door closes....:eek:

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/i...20-7?r=US&IR=T

That comment goes for all airlines, they don’t care who is number one or has been loyal for 30yrs. All about SURVIVAL..

NZ Jq pilots facing redundancy.

my apologies to our colleagues in NZ, yes that was an oversight on my behalf.

I should’ve specified ‘Aus EBA’ pilots haven’t had any redundancies announced and that they shouldn’t be jumping at shadows just yet.

What of Jetconnect? They fly only international sectors, there are enough mainline crew to operate the Tasman when it starts up again. If the surplus is in ‘LH’ and our colleagues at JQNZ are facing redundancy, how are JC sliding under the radar? It’s all been very quiet.....

BTW...I’m not saying I think they should be made redundant before anyone kicks off!

Dont ask for advice on this forum, that’s my advice. The older have a sense of entitlement. Read your EBA line for line paragraph for paragraph.

‘genuine redundancy’......

if SH were to be included, they would be eligible for VR...no one, not even AIPA, seems to be pushing for this. I suspect AIPA know they will lose any challenge...but a challenge must be made nonetheless. Will probably lose some SH members along the way. Let’s hope it doesn’t come to this. I also suspect.....it won’t.

Junior pilots to do post on Qrewroom. They don't get involved in the frequent self-righteous arguments that occur between a certain few, rather they just post their views and opinions. True some are probably wary because of the vitriol between a few regulars, but thankfully enough aren't intimidated and post providing rational opinions. I've posted on Qrewroom since roughly the end of my first year or start of my second year in the company. I have never felt threatened, intimidated, bullied or worried about my career, and have never had it brought up by another colleague. Likewise, I've never posted believing that what I was saying was 100% correct, and that mine was the only valid opinion on the matter. I've posted trying to add my opinion and see if others have a better reason or more knowledge on the matter. I've certainly never posted something like -

The simple fact is your posts are filled with arrogance, sarcasm and condescension to others. And like I said, you were silent here until just a few months ago where you suddenly went on a mission to prove everyone wrong, and yourself to be the only one right. Claiming that junior pilots don't post on Qrewroom is just a cop out for you. The simple fact is that if you posted in the same manner you post here your true colours would show. The one poster here who is letting their head and emotions get in the way is you, as is shown by the increasing frequency with which you have to keep telling others they are wrong. It has become noticeable in every post you make.

If you posted your argument rationally on Qrewroom maybe it would open the eyes of some, but also it would attract the attention of those with a far greater knowledge than you or I have with respect to the Award and it's workings, and the functioning of the company. The simple fact is posting on Qrewroom means you take ownership for your claims, not hiding under anonymity like you do here.

If only you had an idea how many PMs I receive from people thanking me for bringing light to subjects they hadn’t though about. You would be gobsmacked!

Enjoy your continued stand down mmmbop. Hopefully you are here in the future so I can continue to read your obnoxious, sarcastic, condescending dribble.

I have a fair idea...

Now that your ego has been adequately stroked via PM, is there any chance you can take your dribble elsewhere?

I hear you. If only you had an idea of how many messages I receive from supermodels that want to date me, you too would be gobsmacked.

I won’t reveal them, I respect their privacy...

Lol. You lot make me laugh.

Senior crew scared **** that junior crew will be bypassed in the event of CR.

Secure your job. Take LWOP.

Hook
line
sinker

Omg, we recruited Donald Trump! :rolleyes:

Geeze and people wonder why "89" ended so badly.

Looks like nothing learned in the last 39 years.

Cheers Hoss58

Secure
your
job

The entire argument about just waiting it out and take LWOP later is flawed.

Tino has said multiple times that VR/CR will be used to deal with the long term surplus. LWOP will only be used to deal with the short-medium term surplus. If there is not enough senior crew who take VR, then it's game over for the junior crew. There will be no LWOP offer, you are a surplus, and will receive a CR notice. The CR payout for a junior SO is laughable compared to a VR payout they are offering.

What I find ironic is that during the EBA negotiations, the majority of established crew were saying not to believe a word Tino says! Now hes saying "we don't want to do CR's", and you lot believe him! Have a look at whats happening around the aviation world people. Prepare for the worst, and hope for the best.

The only date any junior crew here should be waiting for is the 23rd July with the Jobkeeper announcement. If they extend it and it is allowed to be claimed while on LWOP, its an easy decision. If the government doesn't allow it to be taken while on LWOP, then junior crew need to decide if they need the money now, or if they can find work elsewhere while on LWOP.

Don't listen to senior crew telling you to "wait it out". By the time you wait it out, and the CR decision is made its too late. By then the senior crew who gave you that advice would have disappeared onto a tropical island whilst sipping on a cocktail knowing the buffer of pilots they have beneath them. Lambs to the slaughter.

31 years. Hoss

Jobkeeper on LWOP that the employee requested vs involuntary Stand down, highly doubt that would eventuate.

Thanks -41.

I ran out of fingers and toes.

Cheers Hoss58

Although your intentions are unknown, I consider your persistence on this topic a disservice. We will not agree, you will have the last word, and the world will keep turning. Senior vs Junior in tough times like this is a construct you appear to push. The prevailing attitude amongst crew in Qantas in tough times, as seen many times before (from both Flt ops mgmt and pilots actually) is to look after one another. We, at times, begrudgingly accepted assigned leave, took other jobs, went on flexilines as allowed or enforced by the EA. Options are limited this time but there is still so much water to flow under the bridge. Point is, everyone did their part. Of course there were the 2% of dicks.

This is terribly tough times. I feel you campaign for dissent, fear and division even if it’s not your intention, but perhaps feel justified that you’re spreading information for an informed choice.

If 200 pilots took LWOP a part of me would be happy because it would be good for QF bottom line and I care about QF survival. However, LWOP should not be taken out of fear and the premis of the company’s LWOP offer should be thoroughly rejected. I feel you encourage disunity to stoke the embers of selfishness and I instead wish you were passionate about unity for the greater good.