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Originally Posted by Scooter Rassmussin
(Post 10990792)
The move away from jobkeeper means nothing to the companies, sure they were able to milk a little for themselves but having the staff lose jobkeeper is no skin off the companies nose .
The only reason I’m not taking any leave is because of jobkeeper. Once jobkeeper ends I will start emptying my leave bank. I’m confident I’m not the only one. |
Scooter and Neville nailed it.
The end of JobKeeper means the end of employment for many. Ironically timed around Easter. Those taking day off payments while others go broke unfortunately typify the sad state of affairs within Australia as a whole. MCD. |
Originally Posted by ruprecht
(Post 10990802)
Yeah, not so sure about that.
The only reason I’m not taking any leave is because of jobkeeper. Once jobkeeper ends I will start emptying my leave bank. I’m confident I’m not the only one. |
Originally Posted by ManillaChillaDilla
(Post 10990805)
Scooter and Neville nailed it.
The end of JobKeeper means the end of employment for many. Ironically timed around Easter. Those taking day off payments while others go broke unfortunately typify the sad state of affairs within Australia as a whole. MCD. What cost to Virgin is there by having its crews stood down for 6 months without pay, vs making them redundant? I mean if they are going to be stood up in 6 months what’s the point of paying out a redundancy? Jayne will do whatever is cheaper in the long term. |
Originally Posted by ManillaChillaDilla
(Post 10990805)
Scooter and Neville nailed it.
The end of JobKeeper means the end of employment for many. Ironically timed around Easter. Those taking day off payments while others go broke unfortunately typify the sad state of affairs within Australia as a whole. MCD. |
Originally Posted by empacher48
(Post 10990606)
Try Level 3 for Auckland and 2 for the rest of the country. Level 4 cannot be put in place for individual provinces and is country wide only.
As in August, because the contact tracing team hasn’t figured out where they got it from, lock down to make sure it’s not being spread through the community without people knowing. Unlike the community cases a few weeks ago, in November and October where the source can be traced back to MIQ, no alert levels were changed because contact tracers and genomic testing could identify a source. If the contact tracing is good enough and you can quickly find the source and close contacts NZ does not change alert levels. When there is no clear source, then yes alert levels change. Compare NZ’s reaction to Victoria or WA, if NZ know where the case came from and close contacts are known (takes no longer than 24 hours for NZ contact tracers to identify close contacts, 48 hours for casual and casual+ contacts), so in the case of the Holiday Inn situation NZ would not have changed alert levels for that. You are also right that it had been eliminated. Reintroduced through a leaky quarantine and eliminated again. I am of the belief that the current method of control, swift, brief restrictions in order for contact tracers to catch up is the best they have come up with so far. It has worked, well and a precautionary 3 or 5 days is stand out better than a reactive 3 weeks or months. |
Originally Posted by ruprecht
(Post 10990822)
My point is that once jobkeeper ends there will be an extra cash drain on the the airlines as some employees start using their leave. I’m unclear whether the airlines have factored this into their cash reserve calculations.
Start about 4 mins in. Sabra Lane mentions aviation specifically, Frydenburg discusses QF cancelling 1500 inbound flights to QLD in January and goes on to say specific industry measures are under consideration now. In other words, I think, DON’T PANIC. https://www.abc.net.au/radio/adelaid...am/am/13133946 |
Originally Posted by ruprecht
(Post 10990822)
My point is that once jobkeeper ends there will be an extra cash drain on the the airlines as some employees start using their leave. I’m unclear whether the airlines have factored this into their cash reserve calculations.
don't bother coming to work till the end of March. What does the construction industry know that we don't? He couldn't could he, put Vic into a 4 week lockdown. The first was called a circuit breaker. He wasn't prepared to make any call today. It was 1 case today. Well I hope I'm wrong, very very wrong, though if cases are 1 tomorrow and the next I wonder what the hell Dan is going to say on Wed. Maybe I'm tapping into Dan's brain to much and he might just think 'well job keeper ends in March, why not March. That's time on my side'. This guy loves stress and he enjoys applying stress to others. |
Originally Posted by Lockhart
(Post 10990847)
though if cases are 1 tomorrow and the next I wonder what the hell Dan is going to say on Wed. . ‘UK Strain’ ‘This isn’t the 2020 Virus we are dealing with here’ ‘For all we know it could be spreading like wildfire’ ‘We need to be absolutely sure’ ‘I don’t apologise for taking the medical advice’ Extend for a further 9 Days. :hmm: |
Remember he has a ticking clock on his emergency powers and they expire in a couple of weeks.
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About 3 weeks ago wasn't their a chap 26yo that had the UK strain went to a stack of places in the Glen Waverley area
such as Bunnings, Dan Murphy's then when found out that he had the virus isolated though all the hot spots he visited produced no other cases. No lockdown then and 2 cases today connected to the Holiday Inn so no community transmission. If the same tomorrow then lockdown should and will end tomorrow. |
Originally Posted by C441
(Post 10990307)
I'm not sure that facilities suitable for a few hundred US Marines would necessarily be equally suitable for families, including children, returning from o/s.
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Judging by his lack of composure under the pressure of an interview, no surprise he can’t keep a clear mind during the decisions/or lack of he has made since Jan 2020. 2 or more cases tomorrow and the lockdown fun will continue I reckon. |
Originally Posted by Green.Dot
(Post 10991303)
Nice work Leigh, very valid questions for the struggling businesses.
Judging by his lack of composure under the pressure of an interview, no surprise he can’t keep a clear mind during the decisions/or lack of he has made since Jan 2020. 2 or more cases tomorrow and the lockdown fun will continue I reckon. |
Assuming no new community transmission by tomorrow night I think we will unlock. The lockdown plan assumed a hundred or more new cases, we aren't anywhere near that......yet.
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Originally Posted by Sunfish
(Post 10991333)
Assuming no new community transmission by tomorrow night I think we will unlock. The lockdown plan assumed a hundred or more new cases, we aren't anywhere near that......yet.
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Barely a grilling..
When he stated this isn’t the 2020 virus but the “highly contagious” UK variant, that is about to run rampant - why does no one challenge? Unbelievable the crap these guys are allowed to sprout unchallenged. So many people are absolutely buying into the continuing fear campaign BS. We are a dumb bunch here in Aus nowadays. |
Even dumber that we will be one of the last countries to be vaccinating. Two have full approval but they’re still fluffing around first jab scheduled 25th Feb.
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Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist
(Post 10991380)
Barely a grilling..
When he stated this isn’t the 2020 virus but the “highly contagious” UK variant, that is about to run rampant - why does no one challenge? Unbelievable the crap these guys are allowed to sprout unchallenged. So many people are absolutely buying into the continuing fear campaign BS. We are a dumb bunch here in Aus nowadays. Yes the B117 variant is more highly contagious. So why hasn’t it easily spread in Australia? A couple of reasons. Workers in high risk jobs were maintaining social distancing aware of their higher risk probably. Good contact tracing and quick testing. Hotter weather also means less chance of spread. But the answer isn’t to look the other way and let it spread just because it’s warm, as a latent amount of virus in the community could explode by winter, and whilst the vaccine is on the way the program won’t be completed by October. So you can see the logic in stopping this variant (or any variant really) not being allowed to spread around even at a low level now. |
Originally Posted by SHVC
(Post 10991387)
Even dumber that we will be one of the last countries to be vaccinating. Two have full approval but they’re still fluffing around first jab scheduled 25th Feb.
We are fortunate to be one of the safest countries in the world when it comes to Covid-19. US, UK etc had to rush approval of vaccinations in advance of official sign-off by those countries drug agencies. We had the luxury of waiting and seeing if there were any issues with these drugs not detected in pre-release testing. Regardless, the vaccination program will run for 6-8 months so there is little likelihood of any borders opening in the meantime particularly as it will also depend on other countries rolling out a vaccination program throughout their populations. Unfortunately, there is no shortcut back to anything approaching normal. |
I don’t think we will see normal for years.
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The new and improved vaccines which will most likely arrive in around a year rendering the current obsolete, and will be next years final mission.
Vaccinate this year with the first concept. Vaccinate next year the bullet proof version 2. 2023 onwards it starts to die off. Xmas of 2023 we are in the green. Full steam ahead. 25/26 recruitment should start to pickup in this industry. Concerns around pilot numbers probably a few years before entering the next decade. |
Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 10991388)
With that said, the basics of how we’re supposed to live our lives and how we’re supposed to control this are essentially unchanged. The mitigation measures that we have in place, things like social distancing, wearing a mask, avoiding indoor shared spaces, reducing any unnecessary risks, are still the best measures that we have to try to control this. Language like this doesn’t stop the virus. Hyper-infectious. Hyperbole perhaps. And belies instances like this Perth Outbreak, where there was oddly no transmission beyond patient zero. And is disputed routinely by epidemiologists. I’m not sure the evidence-based case has ever been succinctly made by politicians for measures above and beyond what are already in place for COVID MK 1. Nor is the raw ‘health advice’ shared or explained when it differs significantly from other states’ CMOs. As for Dan’s claim ‘we’re not going to shop around for advice’, it beggars belief that health officials wouldn’t share information and base their decisions on what works best rather deliberately choose to go their own way, which is how I take that comment. |
The uptake of the vaccine will be interesting, particularly of the AZ vaccine, if further boosters are required. Its not like the population is as risk of catching COVID unlike most parts of the world.
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Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist
(Post 10991380)
So many people are absolutely buying into the continuing fear campaign BS.
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Originally Posted by SHVC
(Post 10991401)
I don’t think we will see normal for years.
Even then it won't be the normal that we used to know |
Originally Posted by 1A_Please
(Post 10991394)
Initial shipment of Pfizer only arrived in Australia yesterday. It needs to be checked that it has not degraded during shipping and then be shipped on a per-capita basis to each capital city. This is probably inefficient but politically unavoidable. Initial A-Z vaccinations have not yet arrived in country and real rollout of it won't commence until CSL ramps up local production next month.
We are fortunate to be one of the safest countries in the world when it comes to Covid-19. US, UK etc had to rush approval of vaccinations in advance of official sign-off by those countries drug agencies. We had the luxury of waiting and seeing if there were any issues with these drugs not detected in pre-release testing. Regardless, the vaccination program will run for 6-8 months so there is little likelihood of any borders opening in the meantime particularly as it will also depend on other countries rolling out a vaccination program throughout their populations. Unfortunately, there is no shortcut back to anything approaching normal. |
Originally Posted by jrfsp
(Post 10991417)
The uptake of the vaccine will be interesting, particularly of the AZ vaccine, if further boosters are required. Its not like the population is as risk of catching COVID unlike most parts of the world.
With Covid Vax it will surely be more, given Covid has greater consequences, there was no government publicity campaign for the flu vax, and most importantly a Covid vax will be free for all as opposed to fluvax which a lot of people had to pay for. |
Originally Posted by Dannyboy39
(Post 10991496)
They were absolutely not rushed in the U.K. and USA. And the Aus authorities have approved it anyway?
Not under emergency use provisions or under a temporary authorisation. Due in large part to having the luxury of time to do so, due to the low rates of infection. |
Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 10991388)
Not really.
Yes the B117 variant is more highly contagious. So why hasn’t it easily spread in Australia? A couple of reasons. Workers in high risk jobs were maintaining social distancing aware of their higher risk probably. Good contact tracing and quick testing. Hotter weather also means less chance of spread. But the answer isn’t to look the other way and let it spread just because it’s warm, as a latent amount of virus in the community could explode by winter, and whilst the vaccine is on the way the program won’t be completed by October. So you can see the logic in stopping this variant (or any variant really) not being allowed to spread around even at a low level now. |
Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist
(Post 10991570)
You’re not a Victorian by any chance? :-)
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Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 10991582)
No, and neither are these professors of infectious diseases and virology from NSW and Queensland who give a science based not politically based answer to the question of why the new strain hasn’t wreaked havoc in Australia yet.
The professors in that article quite clearly state that whilst the new strain is more contagious it really isn’t that great a concern to us as we have effective controls in place. Dan the man from stalag-Victoria during the “grilling” said that this strain was WAY more dangerous to us and “not like the 2020 virus”. Which was a load of ****e, and he should’ve been properly grilled - hence my original post. |
Since when has BJ been interested in health advice....over 100K have died on his watch.
The problem in Australia is that unless Dan got Vic back to 0 cases, then it would be the outlier in the country, and would remain locked out from interstate travel. Rightly or wrongly, Short sharp lockdown has been adopted by AU / NZ (Bar NSW), |
Guessing 3 cases in Victoria today, it is battle stations again Dan is switching to guns. Big JW (who I still don't know what he does) has a big announcement at 10:30 could be another snap lock down on its way!
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Originally Posted by SHVC
(Post 10993142)
Guessing 3 cases in Victoria today, it is battle stations again Dan is switching to guns. Big JW (who I still don't know what he does) has a big announcement at 10:30 could be another snap lock down on its way!
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I don’t think cost is really an issue considering Victoria quick brain snap lockdown cost 1 billion dollars.
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Originally Posted by jrfsp
Since when has BJ been interested in health advice....over 100K have died on his watch.
Maybe you should see the latest headlines in the UK about the expected extra 100,000 Cancer deaths in the next year (affecting all ages severely) because the illness has been undiagnosed or untreated due to the Covid flap. And that's just the Big C. Time to look past the BS now... |
Originally Posted by White Knight
(Post 10993515)
What a stupid comment. The UK's 65,000,000 population in an area the size of VIC, the UK being geographically a crossroads for world travel unlike the Cul-de-Sac that is Australia and the far older population. Of course there will be a lot of deaths! The fact is the lethality is extremely low for people under 65 years old!
Maybe you should see the latest headlines in the UK about the expected extra 100,000 Cancer deaths in the next year (affecting all ages severely) because the illness has been undiagnosed or untreated due to the Covid flap. And that's just the Big C. Time to look past the BS now... |
I can't wait to go back flying with all you tinfoil hat wearers. Should make for a fun ride.
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