You are completely wrong about Hydroxychloroquine.
Countries that allow and encourage its use (in the correct combination with other drugs and in the correct dose) have a far lower case fatality rate than countries that have banned or discouraged its use. That’s a fact.

It’s ironic - and obvious - that it’s your political views that so clearly drive your opinions.

What is called "Herd Immunity" is currently more likely due to increased awareness of infection control.

"Numerous diseases have been eliminated in many countries thanks to herd immunity produced by vaccination programmes. But herd immunity is not something that can be achieved by natural infection."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-...ccine/12559298

A public health 'strategist' would say that - their strategy is to protect public health.

An economist would probably have the opposite opinion.

I'm not particularly vested in one approach over the other; there are conflicting opinions depending on what the short term and longer term goals are. Australia is doing pretty well (on the whole) compared to many other countries.

Mr Whispering T-jet. Let me make it clear, when it comes to press conferences in the press gallery you are not to ask questions on other countries/states successes.
In fact you really are not to ask questions, in case you put myself or any other minister for that matter on the spot. Let me make it perfectly clear, the model we are working on is coming on nicely.
Now really really, I want to make it very very clear and reassure all Victorians the model has 4 weeks to go and then the model will be disclosed. However, I cannot disclose the model now
due to that fact the model has not been tested before. I realise a lot of people are under severe stress and pressure though that is what the modelling is all about. I couldn't make it any clearer than that.
For clarity sake let the model do it's thing and we will be over this. I know I'm repeating myself, though the jingle "we are all in this together" is the clearest message of all.
As to rubbing our noses into pay rises well that was clear went you elected me. Are we all clear on that. Righto then, I'm off and going home to work on my model.

Great news, got a link from a reputable source to back up your “fact”?

Here’s the National Prescribing Service strongly advising against using HCQ.
Here’s the results of a scientific study showing HCQ has no useful effect on the virus.
Here’s a study showing patients treated with HCQ didn’t have better outcomes.

I couldn’t find any reputable study showing data regarding your claim above. Although some studies may have shown hope 4/5 months ago it seems all decent medical authorities including Australia are now advising against its use. I know a lot of people are desperate to find a miracle cure (the best we have at the moment is the somewhat effective and medically approved Remdesivir) but that doesn’t mean latching on to snake oil pushed by quacks makes it work.

Well, you wouldn’t find anything, would you, if your only sources of information are the ABC etc?

i don’t care about the politics. Facts are facts.

I do also find it hilarious that you tout Remdesivir, as though those who champion it aren’t massively compromised. Do some proper research, FFS.

If these graphs and statements are wrong, please let me know how.

And, I’m afraid, “because they are on Sky News” isn’t a valid reason.

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Did you even read dr dre’s links? The ABC wasn’t one of them... and your rebuttal is a couple of photos of your tv?!? Haha.

The first graph of deaths per million conveniently leaves out several countries with low CFR on the second graph that would place them high on the deaths per million count (like Chile at 546)

All the actual CFR's of the nations in red have been grossly overestimated, France for instance has an estimated actual CFR of 0.5%, which would put it below all the pro-HCQ nations. Most of the other European nations would be down there as well. In any case real scientists will only calculate actual CFR after the pandemic is over.

Saying those nations with low CFRs "allowed or encouraged" HCQ use is also incorrect. HCQ trials in Israel were stopped after researchers found high heart disease risks in patients. Clinical trials in South Korea were stopped as well. There's no evidence people in those "low CFR" nations actually took HCQ in widespread doses.

Countries that have a very low CFR (like this one, NZ, Singapore) that have never had widespread HCQ use are not included on the second graph. Malaysia, included on the first graph as a "HCQ success story", has stated HCQ had zero effect on their cases.

There's so much cherry picking going on in those graphs backpackers will be out of work on farms for a decade.

From an aviation perspective if we want to get the industry back and thriving best we listen to actual experts who know what they're talking about and use peer reviewed data when crafting their advice, rather than quacks pushed by former Ad Men and Gossip Columnists on Sky News's Outsiders.

The hurt is going to continue for a while yet....

QLD Premier says their borders will not open until NO community transmissions in NSW and Victoria.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-...toria/12564532

Looks like a WA-lite version of the border closure (SA/NT/TAS till open). I wonder if there will be people that would take quarantine via SA/NT before entering Qld.

Don't be tooo hard on him Mr Morno.....he does say he lives in a tent........

Cheeerrrsss....

You might almost think there was an election in the offing. :hmm: Wait until after the election when Jobkeeper comes to an end, thermal coal prices fall a bit further and Chinese beef sanctions start to bite. Her priorities may change a little then.



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So she loses an election to the opposition who has the exact same problem. Opening borders isn't going to change it.
All time highest National debt, household debt and personal debt, with an unprecedented burn rate. Buy now pay later, Super withdrawals, add to that a 14% plus unemployment rate. When it all comes to an end, it's unimaginable as to how deep and how long. Whether a state border is open or not is only a little issue.
It would be more expensive if people went to QLD and remained there.

Federal Government really needs to step in here beginning with cutting jobkeeper and have the states fund it themself, having these rogue premiers making rules up as they go demanding the unachievable to open borders is crazy talk. I hope they dont all sit around and high five each other in 5 yrs when we are in a depression Virgin, QANTAS are just a memory and many other company’s are no longer, but, hey saved a few elderly.

We need to learn to live with it that’s all there is to it.

I've been advocating this for ages. Here is an example of learning to live with it. Just to recall, I wrote this last week. However, Dan is only entrenched in Plan A.
Well here is my plan B. Lockdown all age care and all 70 years old above. Lockdown those under 70 with health conditions.
All healthy under 70 back to work. Everyone keeps their mask on every one has a sanitiser bottle and social distance etc. so transmission is very small.
Everyone needs to boost their immune system markedly as I have portrayed before, to have minimal effects for any illness for that matter. Get rid of those chemical stresses.
What the government doesn't tell you is the percentage rates from not dying from this. What ever graph you prefer it will show 98% above 70s of surviving and 99.6% for healthy
people of surviving covid. That 2% and 0.4% is what is emphasised every press conference.

Or get all those so called Dr Quacks that are suppressed by all organisations to exercise some leverage to demonstrate they can reduce symptoms.

100% Ragnor, well said. With the exception of Victoria (maybe NSW?) there is no reason that every other state and territory shouldn’t have free borders between them with the contact tracing in place. This is becoming madness.

And that's exactly what we are doing. Close all borders, prevent community transmission, maintain robust testing regimes. quarantine the infected. enforce procedures.
Those that are not doing so well, lift your game, you're letting the team down. Well done everyone else.

Bang on Ragnor. We’re being held hostage by state premiers who lets face it, biggest concern is being re-elected.

I guess you are talking about Dan again?

Not at all, nothing to do with Dan, if fact I don't recall ever mentioning Dan.

My advice to the 17% minority that believe the borders should be open is be careful where you express those opinions, my guess is you haven't lost anyone or even know anyone who has been infected, expressing those views openly could reach the ears of someone who has and still overly emotional, enough to take matters into their own hands. That would be equally inappropriate.