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Ragnor 17th Aug 2020 08:05

Lock the elderly up no visitors strict rules for the staff- after all if we are all out of a job who will pay the nurses wage or how will the gov fund any aged care facilities. Everyone wants that little bit of a handout from the Gov but no one seems to want to sacrifice or change their way of life, wear a mask hygiene and lets move on.

I have lost family members to illness other than Covid, influenza being one, we didn't shut up shop for that and not that I would expect the country to either. I cant wait for NT come forward for a Gov hand out they must be struggling big time with out the tourist dollar.

Anyway I will happily admit, I am choosing economy now over health because without economy there is no healthcare.

blubak 17th Aug 2020 08:08


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 10863025)
And that's exactly what we are doing. Close all borders, prevent community transmission, maintain robust testing regimes. quarantine the infected. enforce procedures.
Those that are not doing so well, lift your game, you're letting the team down. Well done everyone else.

What has this outstanding premier of yours done for the families of the 14000 people who died of dementia in australia last year.
aYes,u know the answer,nothing!!
All she knows how to do is try & make herself look good & bleat on about qld this,qld that blah blah blah.
THE BANKRUPT STATE is what should be on the number plates.

Xeptu 17th Aug 2020 08:18

You are missing the point. We are a democracy and we do what the greater majority want, particularly if it's a two third majority, it doesn't matter what the issue is.
You are entitled to an opinion and democracy encourages that, what you're not entitled to do is act on that opinion, that's why we have so many rules and penalties.
The majority says the economy is not our first priority at this point in time. We'll let you know when it is.

Green.Dot 17th Aug 2020 08:40


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 10863079)
The majority says the economy is not our first priority at this point in time. We'll let you know when it is.

Xeptu, since you obviously have inside information can you please ask the leaders of the highlighted states/territories why they insist on playing silly buggers with each other with such low ACTIVE case numbers?

I guess NZ will cut off the North Island from South soon based on their numbers?


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layman 17th Aug 2020 08:59

Perhaps because active cases can grow rather rapidly:
https://covidlive.com.au/report/daily-active-cases/vic
Active Cases in Victoira
1 May: 53
1 June: 71
1 July: 370
1 Aug: 5,919
17 Aug: 7,474

Ragnor 17th Aug 2020 09:11

QUOTE=Xeptu;10863079]
The majority says the economy is not our first priority at this point in time. We'll let you know when it is.[/QUOTE]

Can you substantiate what the majority “says” you may/may not(mean) say or ‘said’ cant wait to see your data

Turnleft080 17th Aug 2020 09:21

As Prime Minister of the best country in the world I will not allow, schemers, vicious poisonous snakes, urinators of the back lanes
operate state governments with the audacity of bringing the economy to it's knees. To all premiers of this once noble country
I will strike you down like a bolt of lightning from a cumulonimbus cloud if you commit treason of the highest order. Holding your
own state to ransom is playing the most stupidest political football. If all states do not open up there borders with immediate effect
I have no option here forth with to surrender all GST dividends.

Green.Dot 17th Aug 2020 09:24

#TL0804PM.

vne165 17th Aug 2020 09:52

"I have no option here forth with to surrender all GST dividends."

Turnleft, if only it were so.

Xeptu 17th Aug 2020 09:57


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10863109)
Can you substantiate what the majority “says” you may/may not(mean) say or ‘said’ cant wait to see your data

No because I don't need to, that's your job if you have a problem with what the majority says, may/may not mean.

Xeptu 17th Aug 2020 10:01


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10863117)
As Prime Minister of the best country in the world I will not allow, schemers, vicious poisonous snakes, urinators of the back lanes
operate state governments with the audacity of bringing the economy to it's knees. To all premiers of this once noble country
I will strike you down like a bolt of lightning from a cumulonimbus cloud if you commit treason of the highest order. Holding your
own state to ransom is playing the most stupidest political football. If all states do not open up there borders with immediate effect
I have no option here forth with to surrender all GST dividends.

No problem Mr. Prime Minister, so we just stop paying the said GST payments in the first place.

Turnleft080 17th Aug 2020 10:52


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 10863153)
No problem Mr. Prime Minister, so we just stop paying the said GST payments in the first place.

Ah ha, Mr Xeptu my favourite politician of the state variety. May I offer you a beer, we have vicious poisonous snake venom, freshly squeezed
uric acid from the bladder, or we can go for the best flavour of the month Covid on tap. My shout "2 Covids on tap thanks". Now this beer is
amazing it will give instant herd immunity, provide no more social distancing, and you can throw kero on all your masks and burn them.
As we speak every pub in country will have it by tonight. Oh! Guess what? It means you have no choice but to open the border. Now what was that
about GST?

Xeptu 17th Aug 2020 11:00


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10863184)
Ah ha, Mr Xeptu my favourite politician of the state variety. May I offer you a beer, we have vicious poisonous snake venom, freshly squeezed
uric acid from the bladder, or we can go for the best flavour of the month Covid on tap. My shout "2 Covids on tap thanks". Now this beer is
amazing it will give instant herd immunity, provide no more social distancing, and you can throw kero on all your masks and burn them.
As we speak every pub in country will have it by tonight. Oh! Guess what? It means you have no choice but to open the border. Now what was that
about GST?

We would call that a vaccine beer and we would be delighted to re-open our borders and host the footy grand final
P.S we still don't want to collect GST for you, we would rather ditch that, annex ourselves from the commonwealth and re-instate retail tax.

Bend alot 17th Aug 2020 11:02

Protect the elderly and the "sick"

All persons that have been doing that for the last many years are on about minimum wage or independent contracting on less than the minimum wage.

All with all of your approval - those in Victoria, that is like your guards for quarantine and you have all been happy with elderly cost and security costs for years (so you get a better road or garbage collection).

So now they have an important role - what should they be paid?

Yeess most these employees do not even get sick leave.

Xeptu 17th Aug 2020 11:07

well we now have plenty of pilots and flight attendants to fill these very important roles

Bend alot 17th Aug 2020 11:25


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 10863201)
well we now have plenty of pilots and flight attendants to fill these very important roles

Showering old folk is one thing, but many have several clients a day 3-5 a day across many suburbs in their own homes or units - how on Earth do we protect them?

Both of them old/sick and the staff that do this work.

These people are not confined (nor is there the room or staff) to nursing homes or medical centres - they also mostly live in our neighbourhoods.

P.S many are self supported retirees to live where they currently live without any or much pension, after many years of hard work to get this country where it is - they deserve a bit of respect.

highflyer40 17th Aug 2020 12:06


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10862998)
I've been advocating this for ages. Here is an example of learning to live with it. Just to recall, I wrote this last week. However, Dan is only entrenched in Plan A.
Well here is my plan B. Lockdown all age care and all 70 years old above. Lockdown those under 70 with health conditions.
All healthy under 70 back to work. Everyone keeps their mask on every one has a sanitiser bottle and social distance etc. so transmission is very small.
Everyone needs to boost their immune system markedly as I have portrayed before, to have minimal effects for any illness for that matter. Get rid of those chemical stresses.
What the government doesn't tell you is the percentage rates from not dying from this. What ever graph you prefer it will show 98% above 70s of surviving and 99.6% for healthy
people of surviving covid. That 2% and 0.4% is what is emphasised every press conference.

Or get all those so called Dr Quacks that are suppressed by all organisations to exercise some leverage to demonstrate they can reduce symptoms.

The underlined quote is the biggest problem with your proposal. With social distancing there are so many companies, shops, industries that just can’t Make it work economically.

Social distancing also happens to be the last thing that will be removed when we come out the other side.

Our whole economy is built on packing people in not distancing themselves.

Xeptu 17th Aug 2020 12:14

Aaaah! the space, it's deafening

Turnleft080 17th Aug 2020 13:51


Originally Posted by highflyer40 (Post 10863240)
The underlined quote is the biggest problem with your proposal. With social distancing there are so many companies, shops, industries that just can’t Make it work economically.

Social distancing also happens to be the last thing that will be removed when we come out the other side.

Our whole economy is built on packing people in not distancing themselves.

Only threw social distancing in the sentence just to be politically correct. I can take it out if you wish. What diff does it make. A sneeze can travel 4-8m depending
on wind velocity. Only complying with the WHO gazette. Of course they know nothing about pandemics as we discovered from Dec to Feb. A mask and satanise would do the trick though.
Then all businesses can get cracking.
It's like going to the doctor to get your blood pressure check. Your blood pressure is high only because your stressed visiting a doctor. Here is some meds to lower your BP.
Or don't bother taking my BP because it's self regulating. It fixes itself. It will increase decrease if I'm in a stressed state or not. It's superfluous. Social distancing superfluous if your wearing a face mask.
I think I said way back in March/April if people build up there immune system, symptoms would be minor. Make it as bullet proof as you can.
I also said you shouldn't be scared of the virus, what is scary is how governments react to it. A total revelation back then. Not any more.

Green.Dot 17th Aug 2020 21:25


Originally Posted by layman (Post 10863102)
Perhaps because active cases can grow rather rapidly:
https://covidlive.com.au/report/daily-active-cases/vic
Active Cases in Victoira
1 May: 53
1 June: 71
1 July: 370
1 Aug: 5,919
17 Aug: 7,474

If other states like WA were genuinely concerned about their low number of COVID cases exploding they would have permanently isolated their ever-so-vulnerable mining areas and workers from Perth itself.

At this present time there is no good reason why WA shouldn’t be allowing restriction free travel with states like QLD/SA/NT/TAS. By all means review that on a daily basis.

If the Premiers continue to push the “safe health of their citizens” as their reasoning then they should be consistent and also stop non essential travel for INTRAstate flying. Eg PER-BME, BNE-CNS for fear of spreading it further. Oh wait- that would effect their own state economy. Silly me!

The term “Aussie Fighting Spirit” is dead.


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