Agree , it feels like the majority have had enough , fear fatigue setting in and the east coast have decided it’s time to take their life back . Daily infections coming down , deaths unfortunately will take awhile to come down but they will . Having an election has made things worse , politicians on both sides inclined to pander to the bed wetters instead of doing what’s needed . Media trying to wring the last out of it and once something else gets our attention they will change direction to stoke the fears again .

Won't make a difference now.

24 local cases, a doubling of last week's rate. I'd say it's starting to get away from them. Let's see how many FIFO workers test positive in preflight screening this week.

At this rate the border may even be open BEFORE Feb 5, as they have said that uncontrolled local spread will make it redundant.

Exactly. Won’t be surprised to see a gradual reopening to start within the next 4 weeks.

There is no hiding under the doona until this passes over. It’s coming for everyone eventually. We’re one freaking nation. The internal borders should be open. End of story.

When you have a significant part of the WA population, including the Premier turning their backs on the many stranded Australians abroad, sadly not all of us think of Australia as one.

But you yourself have said the isolation requirements are what’s making everything fall apart.

It’s not the numbers that are actually sick to the point they can’t work. Most people could go back to work after a few days. While asymptomatic cases wouldn’t be off work at all. It’s the isolation requirements that are based on the old “COVID zero” idea.

So what do you hope to achieve by your suggestion of “closing the borders again” ??

That strategy made sense back in 2020 when there was hardly any cases in Aus, it makes absolutely no sense now.

And yes as others have said, freedom of movement and seeing family is a reason to open up after almost two years of this rubbish. We have vaccines, we have testing facilities, we have had 18 months or more to prepare health strategies. What more do we need? It’s not going away.

Not quite end of story. I agree with you but before you open the borders, it must not be with isolation requirements, to do so will only nobble the economy and that is vastly worse than any virus. When you open the borders you do so accepting that there will be hospitalisations and some of those will die, probably in the order of hundreds. If your not willing to accept that then don't open the borders.

Or people rushing Emergency Departments or triple 0 calls for what are mild symptoms that don't require emergency care.

Those who have been infected but have no more symptoms should be able to return to work with a mask or negative RAT, not be out of action for 7/14 days.

Agreed, to be clear, we made the decision to open up, we are vaxxed, we are ready. We didn't know there would be a govt/ health objective to still contain the virus, WHY, if you were going to do that, don't open the borders. 8 weeks ago we wouldn't have known about a virus in SA, just the same as WA is today. Today we are all closing down, we cannot operate under these conditions. It's going to take months to recover from this mess.

Nah it'll come back quicker than ever, it already has:

EU Commercial flights in December 2021: closest yet to 2019 figures

December Was Aviation’s Top Month In 2021 Despite Omicron

So it appears the problem isn't the virus but the countermeasures being used.

Therefore the impetus should be to change Covid measures rather than keep the border closed.

I can't speak for figures and someone else's experience, all I can tell you we are shutting down all operations at the end of the month for a month, 16 staff directly effected, half pay and a mix of annual leave to get them through, if supply is restored I expect we'll be operational by about mid april, that's going into winter, our off season. This situation is a fair spanking among all of us in the business community in SA. All i'm trying to do is make you guys in WA aware of what to expect if you take the same path.

Australia hit its vaccination target. If everyone stopped pissing their pants and didn’t RAT or PCR themselves due to fear for a virus that is currently giving an extremely high survival rate, and left the testing to those only in hospital, we would have just 5,000 active cases instead of 1.1 million

My commander and chief (she who must be obeyed) says we were at 130% of capacity 4 weeks ago, now we are at 20% those numbers won't be reported until after July and won't come up in the figures until October, those economic numbers as a state is going to be frightening.

Of course if WA waits another month, they will get the same result.

If WA waits another three months, they will get the same result.

This is the point you and SOPs seem to ignore, there will never be a better time to open.

Actually if they wait another three months the result will be far worse. Another three months will be the start of May. The peak efficiency of the vaccinations of the elderly is in late March. Open up in 3 months and the wave will go well into winter, combined with an Influenza and RSV wave. It'll really make hospitals suffer and McGowan's poll numbers too.

The best result will be an opening before the middle of March. Anything after will be noticeably worse.

Omicron is however well established in the community. If they theoretically did not allow another person to cross the border again there's enough local cases that there'll be a massive wave when winter hits. And the elderly boosters will have really waned by then. It'd be a disaster.

That's basically what the CHO himself has written in the advice presented.

There's so much fear now that people who test positive will panic and flood EDs and 000 like in the east. All they can do is ensure there are sensible rules for health staff to ensure the workforce isn't depleted and they can triage and calm down the "worried well" as they are called.

Any rules for other workers will have an effect on the economy as a whole. As does media fearmongering.

The direction of the pandemic in WA is pretty much set now. I'd say the only question is if the current wave takes off exponentially to render the borders moot, or if they can hold out to at the absolute latest mid March.

Personally I would like to see an inquiry into the role of the media in making the C19 outbreak appear far worse than it is which in turn has led politicians to jump at shadows.
The behaviour of the media as a whole has been unconscionable. A disease with greater than 98% survival rate and they have people scared of leaving home.
They simply get away with saying whatever they want with never any consequences as no one polices the media. What a great system.

OK you go ahead and do it, it's your business. knock yourselves out. We don't import anything from WA anyway, it has no impact upon us at all. It's solely a decision for West Australians.

So long as you understand all that's going to change is that you'll tank your economy and lose your localised freedoms.

Again, how will delaying the opening by a month or three months change that outcome? It won’t.

Hot off the press…https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-...ting/100776210

Judging by the crowds at various sporting events being conducted right now, it does seem that South Australians seem to be particularly spooked by the virus. It makes sense as the two largest cities have effectively been living with this for the last two years albeit with some restrictions. Rest of the country are just going through a cognitive adjustment. And yes, the media is the main culprit here.

No it's not. It's solely the CHO and Premier that tell me what to do. I don't get to make decisions.

The media has nothing to do with it, we are not spooked by the virus, we know all about it the same as the rest of the world, we are responding to it's impact.

Well here is that impact….


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Your average healthy Australian would do well to worry about dying from something other than Covid 19.

[QUOTE=Icarus2001;11173977]Well here is that impact….

And our impact has little to do with illness and death as a consequence of any virus. anyway I've said all I can, do or don't do.

But McGowan said we need time to get the children vaccinated.

Are you suggesting that there is no causal connection between the outcomes described in those graphs and the mitigation strategies such as vaccinations and lockdowns? To put this question another way, are you suggesting that the graph would be the same without any vaccinations, lockdowns or other actions?

Good question, I believe it would be very similar. Why would it not?

Nothing to fear but fear itself .

Car accidents , pneumonia, smoking , bad food , suicide, all kills and we accept this as part of living . We will come to accept covid is just another thing that can get us especially as we age or get sick . The anguish of deciding to allow it be part of life is really a big problem much bigger than covid will ever be .

because they are the primary spreaders. 0-20 age group are the primary source of infection for Omicron and Delta.

Good try!


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https://amp.abc.net.au/article/100745538

The last year(ish) has been a fairly clear demonstrator that a teacher is more likely to transmit the virus in a school setting than students.

If there were equal numbers of students to teachers yes. Remember these numbers are skewed because schools had stringent closure procedures for any outbreaks to prevent spread.

Because the vaccine prepares the immune system for the virus, and means there is a much lower chance of hostpitilisation and death. Those stats are incontravertible. That you would make this statement is unbelievable.

No, we don't. We spend billions mitigating the risks of car accidents, From traffic laws to design standards to licencing and enforcemment. We restrict peoples freedom in order to save as many ilves as practical. The same with food standards and mental health measures. We have made huge efforts to reduce the risk from smoking.We don't let ANY activity with that kind of risk just "let rip".

Either you live in WA/NZ or if not, you need to move there and you can all be scared together.

Wizofoz, I was talking about the age profile not total numbers.

Thankyou for a meaningless reply that addressed my post in exactley zero meaningful ways.

Do you wear a seatbelt, or is that giving in to fear?

Fine- though I think you'll find the profile among unvaccinated skwes maore toward younger serious cases.

All correct , I’m not saying don’t put a seatbelt on I’m not saying drink to excess or take up smoking . Of course we try to reduce deaths and protect the vulnerable. Get vaccinated , reduce exposure and keep good hygiene but accept there will be infections and deaths like we accept there will be deaths from car accidents and smoking and get on with living .

Yes. AND be aware of the dangers- which is also called being afraid. Now, road laws, mitigation measures, food standards- they vary from place to place depending on a large number of variables- to say way approach is right and another is wrong is short sighted.

We don't accept road deaths, or smoking deaths, which is why we have ever reducing road speeds, and ridiculous slow points to reduce the average speed of traffic. Smoking will most likely be banned by 2030, with some nations already banning it for age groups. Sugar and fatty foods will be the next agenda. Why, because it all comes down to how much cost we are prepared to accept to fund the health system and aged care vs freedom of choice. You wonder why not alcohol, well at present its widespread use for recreation prevents much measures against it, however the forces are already at work to curb that. Prohibition showed that for drugs of addiction curbing general use when it's accepted by the community is just too difficult for sudden changes.