The current 330/350 travesty of justice award for S/Os would probably tip the scales for many people to the 737. Not so for the senior fleets, but of course a new hire is unlikely to get the A380.

I think that it’s probably 10+ years to a long haul F/O job for a new hire. That’s a long time to be on the shorthaul terms and conditions. I flew with someone three weeks ago who had exactly two weeks in shorthaul and they hated it. After counselling them I was able to assure them that it was worse than they thought. All part of the service.

Rubbish. The 73 is hands down the best fun you can have in QF flying an airplane. 2 weeks? Bottom of the PSN. Ensure them that in about 6 months they won't know themselves. Every bid period, life gets better, and it only gets worse, once. I've always found that the desire to move from the 73 is directly propotional to the position on the squirrel cage.
Don't listen to the naysayers, it's awesome.

As the last two posts demonstrate there’s a wide variety of opinions. There’s both SH and LH lifers, and those who’ve spent time both hauls. It all depends on your circumstances at the time to what you prefer and after spending a lot of time in one haul you would be probably be willing for a change.

But the benefit is that you get a choice, you can switch fleets when your freezes and seniority deem fit.

Hear time to SH FO was around 5 years???

I couldn't imagine a new hire 330/350 SO would earn anywhere near that of a SH FO?Been thinking the new hire SO would be around 140K after allowances??

Happy to hear otherwise!

Was - years ago. Now it’s pretty much day one if you SYD or MEL and maybe a year or so for BNE/PER, they aren’t putting any F/Os into ADL at the moment is the base is still too big.

Both EAs available online. The SO figure is accurate, on the 73 you can make over $200k on first year rates at a typical roster build. Some FO’s picking up extra work will gross north of $250k plus allowances.

If you take the 73 you’re frozen for 4 years but currently a 6 year wait to LH FO.

Well under a year for Perth 737.
You can't earn under 200k as a 737 FO. Just won't happen with having reserve call outs etc. Plenty year4 FOs going north of 300 this FY with the bonus

I have also heard of first year SO’s (787) cracking 200

Good on them, but that wouldn't be doing "half the work" of the 73 guys, they'd have to be working, or at least away for significant time to get that. The 73 guy could be home every night. Its all a choice, and we are so lucky to have it.

Home every night?

Whats that?

Im away half a week every wever without name in book. If i offer to do extra make it 4 to 5 nights a week away.

Most trips are 1, 2 and 3 days, some of the internationals are up to 5 days, this will probably increase as SH transitions to the 321.

At the bottom of the squirrel cage expect 9/10 nights away from home, and if day trips are your thing at the top of the rotation you can spend every night at home for months.

Overall it’ll even out to an average 4/5 nights away per roster.

Horse ****!

Shorthaul spends more TAFB than longhaul.

Thanks to the ‘regional partners’ and low paid subsidiaries.

How is it a subsidiaries fault that you’re doing too many overnights for your liking? Most of these businesses were smaller Aussie companies that grew bigger and Qantas bought. It’s not their fault it’s Qantas Managements fault that you’re unhappy.

Back in the day, before outsourcing, 4-day trips were common. I used to spend 12 nights away. I did get to meet some swell divorce lawyers though.

Most 787 SO’s would be grossing 200k this FY. This would include approx 25k in allowances.
650 hours on avg

380 SO’s (on the good contract) would be similar upwards to 250k - given lower divisors and oversupply at the moment.

737 - 250k seems reasonable. There’s no
point staying on the 787 after year 4 - either 380 or SH to have the ability to earn more.

Based on that, what are the chances they’ll consider someone with say 3-4 ATPL exams completed (and still within the window to finish the rest) with ~2000hrs?

Seems odd to drop the flying/command experience in favour of holding the line on theory. I recall a time where QLK hired with AHUF only.

A Network FO gets $107k no allowances, FDP, no overtime (for anyone wanting to compare with the worst f**'ing job in the Qantas group).

Any chance someone can post a typical SO 787 roster for year one ?

Many Thanks
Hank.

Expect 5-6 trips ranging from 4-6 days away.
If there’s a JFK in the roster (10 days) expect 3-4 5-6 day trips

For any external candidates that did the first round of interviews in January/February this year and got the nod, has anyone had a start date or expected time frame yet?