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VH-RME 15th Dec 2023 17:00

“There are no available time slots at this time. You can check later to see if additional time slots are available.”

Is everyone else getting the same message? Saw a good chunk of slots across Feb to May earlier this afternoon right after the email went out but not anymore. Surely you'd think not every single slot has been snapped up in the last 12 hours, but guess I could be wrong

captainhan 16th Dec 2023 02:25

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Hi all,
sorry to take the thread in a slightly different direction, but can someone give me some insight into the following.
If one decides to accept a S/O wide body position, how long would you be expected to hold that position before upgrade to f/o. I understand it all works on seniority and only when positions open up etc.
Just curious what the historical data shows what to expect.

morno 16th Dec 2023 02:48


Originally Posted by captainhan (Post 11557392)
Hi all,
sorry to take the thread in a slightly different direction, but can someone give me some insight into the following.
If one decides to accept a S/O wide body position, how long would you be expected to hold that position before upgrade to f/o. I understand it all works on seniority and only when positions open up etc.
Just curious what the historical data shows what to expect.

Mate I know the thread is looooooong, but it’s been discussed many times before. The short of it is you can be a 737 FO from day 1, or you could wait 4-6 years for a widebody FO.

Historical data is probably not applicable anymore because there are so many changes happening and so many retirements in the next 10 years

soseg 16th Dec 2023 08:37


Originally Posted by morno (Post 11557396)
Mate I know the thread is looooooong, but it’s been discussed many times before. The short of it is you can be a 737 FO from day 1, or you could wait 4-6 years for a widebody FO.

Historical data is probably not applicable anymore because there are so many changes happening and so many retirements in the next 10 years

7 years for a330 FO at the moment. Not 4. Don’t spin crap on here. You’re QF morno. Give accurate figures.

A very, very small amount of people made 330 FO PER back in 2019 who started in late 2016. Count them on one hand.

At the moment it’s 7 years. Will it drop further next year? Maybe.

morno 16th Dec 2023 11:01


Originally Posted by soseg (Post 11557520)
7 years for a330 FO at the moment. Not 4. Don’t spin crap on here. You’re QF morno. Give accurate figures.

A very, very small amount of people made 330 FO PER back in 2019 who started in late 2016. Count them on one hand.

At the moment it’s 7 years. Will it drop further next year? Maybe.

Yes, 7 years now, but with the amount of movement forecast, I’d be willing to bet it’ll come down to 4-6 maybe for a bit.

Mr787X 17th Dec 2023 07:16


Originally Posted by Swept-Wing (Post 11556695)
Sorry, poorly worded.
What I meant is Talent Aquisition is finished for 2023 and no more calls in December will go out for April starts Etc.

Is this for all QF group airlines or just mainline? And I guess they come back Jan 2nd or something like that?

Chris2303 17th Dec 2023 07:30


Originally Posted by Mr787X (Post 11558042)
Is this for all QF group airlines or just mainline? And I guess they come back Jan 2nd or something like that?

More like 15th or 22nd January LOL

soseg 17th Dec 2023 07:48


Originally Posted by morno (Post 11557597)
Yes, 7 years now, but with the amount of movement forecast, I’d be willing to bet it’ll come down to 4-6 maybe for a bit.

They told me that in 2017. Believe it when I see it. Perhaps converting more a330s into freighters will help.

czechmate 17th Dec 2023 17:48


Originally Posted by soseg (Post 11558059)
They told me that in 2017. Believe it when I see it. Perhaps converting more a330s into freighters will help.

They told me that in 2008! Manage your expectations for career progression, my first chance at command is looking like 18 years seniority.

Swept-Wing 4th Jan 2024 13:29

Hey Makiko, you’re gonna love this:


Please note, Internal candidates are no longer required to complete SHL testing.

Makiko 4th Jan 2024 13:48

why would i remotely care

just pointed out how it had worked since 2016 almost a decade now

& how internals up until now who scored high started up to two years earlier & seven figures higher career earnings

dont even know why sim for externals everyone passes

mainline interview guys must be stoked all internals despite bottom of bell curve hiilbilly test ability get a job

where does this word of god come from anyway

think you would heed something a little more substantive than a bitchy bb to accept qf dropping test after using em as bible for 45 plus years

morno 4th Jan 2024 21:16

Man if that isn’t a dummy spit, I don’t know what is.

Another example of an impending shortage, dropping more requirements to get in.

Gnadenburg 4th Jan 2024 23:49

The testing is a joke. So many cheat. You have to scoff at those that wear a badge- “ I did the QF selection process and am better than everyone else.”

You ain’t particularly special. And they’ll change it at a whim for industrial advantage because management know too, you ain’t particularly special.

MikeHatter732 4th Jan 2024 23:58

makiko is just mad cause now he can't spruce his scam mates at PATS anymore. he went very quiet after all that came out (along with deleting all his posts referencing them) :E

mig3 5th Jan 2024 00:40


Originally Posted by Gnadenburg (Post 11568504)
The testing is a joke. So many cheat.

​​​​​​The online testing is invigilated and the individual results revalidated later.
​​​

Ladloy 5th Jan 2024 06:59


Originally Posted by mig3 (Post 11568519)
​​​​​​The online testing is invigilated and the individual results revalidated later.
​​​

not anymore

Makiko 10th Jan 2024 03:49

Online testing aptitude testing continues for internals
But you will will still proceed to interview if you get 1/5
Just expect a much longer wait at your Group Airline if that is your score
& For the "have a crack" brigade keep in mind that turning up to ML interview with a modest test score
probably isn't a great idea, as some internals do actually get rejected

Really don't know why QF don't publicise more how things actually work these days

Start at Group Airline do okay & you can pretty much do what you want after a couple of years

Swept-Wing 10th Jan 2024 05:29


Originally Posted by Makiko (Post 11572753)
Online testing aptitude testing continues for internals
But you will will still proceed to interview if you get 1/5
Just expect a much longer wait at your Group Airline if that is your score
& For the "have a crack" brigade keep in mind that turning up to ML interview with a modest test score
probably isn't a great idea, as some internals do actually get rejected

Really don't know why QF don't publicise more how things actually work these days

Start at Group Airline do okay & you can pretty much do what you want after a couple of years

Wrong again Makiko

Internal candidates are no longer required to complete SHL testing

all internal candidates received this in writing from talent Aquisition.

Makiko 10th Jan 2024 05:52

Not the guys I know SW and I know them from a few of the different group airlines

More misinformation it would seem from QF Recruitment team (PPrune)

Like all "The Gang" a few months back suggesting people join an external airline to get to ML

Really couldn't give more wayward advice

StudentInDebt 10th Jan 2024 20:30


Originally Posted by Makiko (Post 11572808)
Not the guys I know SW and I know them from a few of the different group airlines

More misinformation it would seem from QF Recruitment team (PPrune)

Like all "The Gang" a few months back suggesting people join an external airline to get to ML

Really couldn't give more wayward advice

In the email internals receive progressing to the interview stage, it states that internal candidates are no longer required to compete SHL testing.


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