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I think it’s awesome we have people from Mainline donating, and other airlines. You are helping the majority. There is a small minority at network who have been going to work. I’m not talking about the people that pick the odd day here and there so they can actually pay the mortgage or the ones not covered by AFAP to even strike I’m talking about the people extending and accepting payments to do shifts that don’t comply with the current EA and roster protocol to bag some extra cash for their extremely selfish self.
Thanks to all that have donated it really is making a huge difference not only for those financially in need but also knowing that others have our backs.
Thanks to all that have donated it really is making a huge difference not only for those financially in need but also knowing that others have our backs.
Guys/gals, there is vastly more solidarity than short term financial opportunism on display here. I am simply blown away by the level of support we are receiving throughout the industry. Whatever reasons the small minority have for picking up flights and ‘helping the company out’ aren’t even worth dwelling on- the overall strategy is working and if Qantas don’t get an IB declaration they are going to be in serious trouble.
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You will find the majority of the donations that are anonymous are mainline pilots.
There are very strong feelings towards what the company has done over the last 20 years. Which will take more than cookies and coffee to heal. However most of the QF pilots are very happy to watch you stick it to QF IR and can’t wait for aipa to grow somę, to join in.
In fact, many like what they see from the AFAP and are joining in droves.
There are very strong feelings towards what the company has done over the last 20 years. Which will take more than cookies and coffee to heal. However most of the QF pilots are very happy to watch you stick it to QF IR and can’t wait for aipa to grow somę, to join in.
In fact, many like what they see from the AFAP and are joining in droves.
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It's about principle now.
Q can not be seen to agree to anything as a result of PIA. There is the entire 737 workforce just waiting for their go.
One association has overseen the outsourcing of work (except that of the widebody fleets) and from the lads over at James Blundells place , the flow to the other is no longer a drip but a steady leak.
Q can not be seen to agree to anything as a result of PIA. There is the entire 737 workforce just waiting for their go.
One association has overseen the outsourcing of work (except that of the widebody fleets) and from the lads over at James Blundells place , the flow to the other is no longer a drip but a steady leak.
One association has overseen the outsourcing of work (except that of the widebody fleets)…...
A large number of mainline Pilots would possibly tend to think it is.
And with all due respect, how was AIPA going to prevent that with the last 2 or 3 Enterprise Ultimatums that the majority chose to vote in favour of?
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It will be fascinating to see what happens if they don’t get IB approved- we might then enter a self destruct cycle. I can’t help but think that that might be the best outcome in the long run because the mining companies may well have to fill the vacuum very quickly. If I were them I’d be gaming how that scenario plays out and how quickly they can get an operation up and running. Word on the street is one of them is already doing that.
because the mining companies may well have to fill the vacuum very quickly. If I were them I’d be gaming how that scenario plays out and how quickly they can get an operation up and running. Word on the street is one of them is already doing that.
It will be fascinating to see what happens if they don’t get IB approved- we might then enter a self destruct cycle. I can’t help but think that that might be the best outcome in the long run because the mining companies may well have to fill the vacuum very quickly. If I were them I’d be gaming how that scenario plays out and how quickly they can get an operation up and running. Word on the street is one of them is already doing that.
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Not locked in for even a minute when there is industrial disharmony causing major disruptions. They also have clauses about OTP requirements, reserve coverage, rescue services, etc that could be used to end contracts with minimal notice.
Most interesting. Despite being bin chickens there is an unusually high level of experience in the organisation that could easily make this happen, including check and training and other delegations. It’s one thing pissing all over your staff and the travelling public but start doing that to mining companies and shiz gets real very fast.
That will be fascinating to watch. Pilots running their own airline. It will be an airline where pilots don’t go sick when they are not sick? An airline where pilots always extend their tour of duty to keep the show on the road? An airline where captains don’t delay aircraft to prove that the captain is in charge? An airline that can resolve one pilot’s ambitions over another's amicably? An airline where no pilot whinges about when they get their holidays? An airline where all pilots get the school holidays and weekends off? An airline where all pilots who want, get Christmas off?
That will be fascinating to watch. Pilots running their own airline. It will be an airline where pilots don’t go sick when they are not sick? An airline where pilots always extend their tour of duty to keep the show on the road? An airline where captains don’t delay aircraft to prove that the captain is in charge? An airline that can resolve one pilot’s ambitions over another's amicably? An airline where no pilot whinges about when they get their holidays? An airline where all pilots get the school holidays and weekends off? An airline where all pilots who want, get Christmas off?
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Arent most of their EBA's are negotiated with one of the most militant unions in Australia, the CFMMEU??
Lets hope the NAA guys/gals tough it out great job so far
Really showing the way , no need to "sign off" on substandard deals - why oh why NJS did do , well I just don't know
The Pilot Unions/FAA are an interesting bunch seem to proceed to contested hearings on "looser" cases normally related to behavioural issues to try to save a job
But often seem to ignore or go into denial about some of the strongest
Example that comes to mind would be AIPA going to trial for bypass pay for A380 SOs when QF elected to hire small number of DE 380 SOs . The contract does say (not exact) normally
from internal unless operational requirements dictate otherwise (rookie effort to allow that clause) . Well you might think Global pandemic, stressed training capacity would give QF a reasonable argument.
Up to the Jugde but I would give the union 25% max of winning that one. Lot of money to spend so that 20 or so A scale SOs would receive bypass pay
As compared to QF issuing the decree that the B Scale for new SOs would commence forthwith - tootle pip. We QF management indeed make this proclamation. This is all very interesting but perhaps the employees
should remind QF that they don't run the Courts or the Australian legal system. The 350 is years & years away & the B scale was tied to those "tagged/destined/allocated" for the A350 , but are now flying A330/380/787. You might think that given said aircraft was years away when the B scale was commenced that this is unfair , unreasonable , unjust etc etc. Think they are talking 2027 now at best, its was a blatant try on by QF . How an earth could allocate an AC to a new joiner , that is more than six months away from first type arriving
What is bizarre is that the Pilot group have accepted this so passively "It's what the contract says"; "New joiners have to plan for the B scale contract - they know what they are getting into"
It effects likely more than 200 pilots who have joined from September 22 or so . The silence or more "howling down" from the Union or pre-Covid QF Pilots is deafening whenever this is mentioned.
Is this because folks are embarrassed that 95% voted up the B scale back in 2020. & That for the Union it was such a poorly drafted clause, without specified timelines - truly rookie stuff
The Result by the end of this year 400 + B Scale QF Pilots who's pay rate will max at 60% of Pre-Covid group
What is remarkable is that the Union ignores what may well be unlawful conduct by QF. Yet will spend millions going to Court on what they are claiming is a "Sanctity of Seniority" case for 20 or so guys who didn't get
A380 slots - it was all sort of holier than thou
The B Scalers should organise & take action themselves if their chosen Union doesn't act or all move to a Union that will act. The potential loss of earnings for a B scaler could easily be 7 figures
Anyway good luck to the NAA pilots - vote it down several times until you get an excellent deal. No doubt you are printing money for the QF group & the marvellous senior executive group
& Don't panic at the scaly QF management tactics - QF ML fell for the BS "hurry up hurry up" or we will give the flying to others - schoolboy tactic actually worked
Really showing the way , no need to "sign off" on substandard deals - why oh why NJS did do , well I just don't know
The Pilot Unions/FAA are an interesting bunch seem to proceed to contested hearings on "looser" cases normally related to behavioural issues to try to save a job
But often seem to ignore or go into denial about some of the strongest
Example that comes to mind would be AIPA going to trial for bypass pay for A380 SOs when QF elected to hire small number of DE 380 SOs . The contract does say (not exact) normally
from internal unless operational requirements dictate otherwise (rookie effort to allow that clause) . Well you might think Global pandemic, stressed training capacity would give QF a reasonable argument.
Up to the Jugde but I would give the union 25% max of winning that one. Lot of money to spend so that 20 or so A scale SOs would receive bypass pay
As compared to QF issuing the decree that the B Scale for new SOs would commence forthwith - tootle pip. We QF management indeed make this proclamation. This is all very interesting but perhaps the employees
should remind QF that they don't run the Courts or the Australian legal system. The 350 is years & years away & the B scale was tied to those "tagged/destined/allocated" for the A350 , but are now flying A330/380/787. You might think that given said aircraft was years away when the B scale was commenced that this is unfair , unreasonable , unjust etc etc. Think they are talking 2027 now at best, its was a blatant try on by QF . How an earth could allocate an AC to a new joiner , that is more than six months away from first type arriving
What is bizarre is that the Pilot group have accepted this so passively "It's what the contract says"; "New joiners have to plan for the B scale contract - they know what they are getting into"
It effects likely more than 200 pilots who have joined from September 22 or so . The silence or more "howling down" from the Union or pre-Covid QF Pilots is deafening whenever this is mentioned.
Is this because folks are embarrassed that 95% voted up the B scale back in 2020. & That for the Union it was such a poorly drafted clause, without specified timelines - truly rookie stuff
The Result by the end of this year 400 + B Scale QF Pilots who's pay rate will max at 60% of Pre-Covid group
What is remarkable is that the Union ignores what may well be unlawful conduct by QF. Yet will spend millions going to Court on what they are claiming is a "Sanctity of Seniority" case for 20 or so guys who didn't get
A380 slots - it was all sort of holier than thou
The B Scalers should organise & take action themselves if their chosen Union doesn't act or all move to a Union that will act. The potential loss of earnings for a B scaler could easily be 7 figures
Anyway good luck to the NAA pilots - vote it down several times until you get an excellent deal. No doubt you are printing money for the QF group & the marvellous senior executive group
& Don't panic at the scaly QF management tactics - QF ML fell for the BS "hurry up hurry up" or we will give the flying to others - schoolboy tactic actually worked
(No I was not an eligible voter)
I’ll make this observation, if you want to see a good example of pilots respect for each other, attend any committee of management meeting of a pilots “ union” ( to see lack of respect in operation). Neither is a “ union”. One is a federation and the other is an association. Mind you, a union in drag might be a good description.