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Still didn't stop the BHP crew from voting for PIA which achieved their EBA targets last month, though, but that wasn't particularly 'militant' by any stretch of the imagination.
Why would AFAP allow NAA to put up this 4th round, crap EA vote if they could stop it?
Your allegation of acquiescence is complete BS.
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Southwest have just locked in a contract that gives pilots a 44 percent pay rise over 4 years. I think the days of QF offering 3 percent are over. Especially while the executives get huge salaries and bonuses, and Alan got $125 million for destroying the airline.
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Seems like you have forgotten who runs the airline, it’s the management, not the pilots
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But it’s the pilots that management give the aircraft to, who fly the planes. That’s the problem. When management can legally take your plane, paint it another colour, give it to other pilots to fly on lesser conditions and trash your career, it’s not the unions who are screwing you over, it’s your boss.
(This is not supposed to sound like a cautionary tale for NAA, you guys looks very safe from being undercut so you’re in a great position to fight. But it’s lived history for other group pilots)
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For those of us following at Home. Can anyone confirm QF has put out a 4th deal to be voted on?
any differences from the last?
if Not vote it down hard my fellow professionals!
any differences from the last?
if Not vote it down hard my fellow professionals!
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Because a company decides what offer they want to put to the employees and when, the union doesn’t get a say. It’s the law.
Why would AFAP allow NAA to put up this 4th round, crap EA vote if they could stop it?
Seems like you have forgotten who runs the airline, it’s the management, not the pilots and not the union. Far from “overseeing” the outsourcing, AIPA took PIA over a decade ago to stop the outsourcing but were shut down by the Federal Gov before they were even allowed to take a single day of stop work action. They took the company to Federal Court to stop JetConnect but couldn’t even get the case heard on jurisdictional issues.
Your allegation of acquiescence is complete BS.
Why would AFAP allow NAA to put up this 4th round, crap EA vote if they could stop it?
Seems like you have forgotten who runs the airline, it’s the management, not the pilots and not the union. Far from “overseeing” the outsourcing, AIPA took PIA over a decade ago to stop the outsourcing but were shut down by the Federal Gov before they were even allowed to take a single day of stop work action. They took the company to Federal Court to stop JetConnect but couldn’t even get the case heard on jurisdictional issues.
Your allegation of acquiescence is complete BS.
However, this current scenario is very different-there is no federal government intervention as yet and AIPA are not endorsing stop work for its members when the AFAP is. Why?
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AIPA may well have been prevented from escalating its PIA into stop work a decade ago and that’s fair enough. Im not across the details.
However, this current scenario is very different-there is no federal government intervention as yet and AIPA are not endorsing stop work for its members when the AFAP is. Why?
However, this current scenario is very different-there is no federal government intervention as yet and AIPA are not endorsing stop work for its members when the AFAP is. Why?
They followed a similar path with the turboprop subsidiaries, no PIA ballot when AFAP did one for both sunnies and eastern.
Are they now ideologically opposed to the idea of PIA after the last effort those years ago? Maybe that is something that should be shared to the general membership so they can make an informed decision on where they would like their dues to go.
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The most important thing to bear in mind is the fact that cracks are appearing at HQ. There is quite a divide now between the hard line anti-pilot group and the unblinkered ones who have the spine to admit they can’t go on like this without further damage to the operation, and without us they don’t have a company.
As for the crew at NAA…you are enduring one of the worst sieges in Australian IR history and you should hold your head up high as a result. The donations being made are a sign that although most of us have never met, we have a level of respect and care for one another that IR ‘professionals’ could learn from.
As for QF trying to (literally) starve out your workforce, you should be ashamed of yourselves, VH especially, as they say, the fish rots from the head. Fvcking disgusting!
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It does however bring up a good point given the numerous EBAs up for renegotiation around the country in the next few months.
Perhaps instead of just donating anonymously, put the name of the company YOU work for. Give those in management of all operators a taste of the support their own pilots have for those standing up for fairness in their value as pilots.
A few people are already doing this and it's great to see the support from not just at QF but others like JQ, VA, VARA and hopefully others to come.
A reminder link for the WA Pilot Strike Fund
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Yeah, would love to know their thinking behind not putting a PIA ballot to their members.
They followed a similar path with the turboprop subsidiaries, no PIA ballot when AFAP did one for both sunnies and eastern.
Are they now ideologically opposed to the idea of PIA after the last effort those years ago? Maybe that is something that should be shared to the general membership so they can make an informed decision on where they would like their dues to go.
They followed a similar path with the turboprop subsidiaries, no PIA ballot when AFAP did one for both sunnies and eastern.
Are they now ideologically opposed to the idea of PIA after the last effort those years ago? Maybe that is something that should be shared to the general membership so they can make an informed decision on where they would like their dues to go.
Support Network PIA at the very least.
I’m leaving AIPA, I’m sick of waiting for leadership
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True but it’s a needlessly militant company (QF) who has driven the entire workforce to the point that they have had enough. It’s the company who has put the mining operations at extreme risk here, not pilots, and that is widely known at all levels. Believe me when I say the only thing being discussed in the marbled halls at headquarters is how the hell they can stem the flow and limit the damage done to the company. They are quite terrified.
The most important thing to bear in mind is the fact that cracks are appearing at HQ. There is quite a divide now between the hard line anti-pilot group and the unblinkered ones who have the spine to admit they can’t go on like this without further damage to the operation, and without us they don’t have a company.
As for the crew at NAA…you are enduring one of the worst sieges in Australian IR history and you should hold your head up high as a result. The donations being made are a sign that although most of us have never met, we have a level of respect and care for one another that IR ‘professionals’ could learn from.
As for QF trying to (literally) starve out your workforce, you should be ashamed of yourselves, VH especially, as they say, the fish rots from the head. Fvcking disgusting!
The most important thing to bear in mind is the fact that cracks are appearing at HQ. There is quite a divide now between the hard line anti-pilot group and the unblinkered ones who have the spine to admit they can’t go on like this without further damage to the operation, and without us they don’t have a company.
As for the crew at NAA…you are enduring one of the worst sieges in Australian IR history and you should hold your head up high as a result. The donations being made are a sign that although most of us have never met, we have a level of respect and care for one another that IR ‘professionals’ could learn from.
As for QF trying to (literally) starve out your workforce, you should be ashamed of yourselves, VH especially, as they say, the fish rots from the head. Fvcking disgusting!
pilots have always failed to understand their worth. Why are we paying managers big bucks and pilots peanuts. It should be the other way around.
stick with it boys/girls. They’re literally hoping you will give up due to lack of wages…it’s disgusting. Unfair playing field, particularly when you’re already on half the money you should be.
I’m sending another $100 now.
good luck!
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Bye bye.
latest newsletter didn’t even mention network.
more focused on security screening!
Take a stand AIPA, or lose your base. Now or never. We shouldn’t be talking of coming back to the negotiating table now. Company is still offering a **** sandwich.
just because I support my fellow pilots makes you think I’m not with AIPA or mainline.
you’re the problem…
network’s MINIMUM position should be short haul rates. New IR laws are here to punish companies like QANTAS. Using subsidiaries to push down conditions and threaten staff. It’s exactly the situation this legislation was written for.
the government is aware of the underhanded tactics and wants to stamp it out.
the imbalance of employee negotiations is being levelled and we should use this to our advantage.
our past tactics have been diabolically bad. AIPAs legal advice has been terrible.
time for change.
I for one am now happy to risk my job and seniority to say enough is enough.
why isn’t AIPA Discussing some kind of payment for years of being stood down?! Record profits and they’re not interested in helping out loyal staff. Just fill their own pockets.
plenty of airline paid staff during Covid, plenty paid HUGE bonuses to pilots after Covid had passed (8months +).
QF talks about engagement, says they’re listening…then try to push our conditions further down.
pilot shortages idiots. AIPA still seems happy with pay freeze followed by 3%. WTF
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I was contacted by AIPA via DM here on Pprune back in October refuting my suggestion that they weren’t doing enough. The offer was made then to offer an explanation into the lack of unity amongst the unions, an offer I politely declined. What I took away from the exchange was that the AFAP are and would likely remain alone in this. They (AIPA) are quickly becoming irrelevant which is disappointing when you think that a couple of hundred NJS pilots have been watching this very carefully with an interest in joining AIPA and why most NAA pilots are members of AFAP.
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I don't know how you could possibly have any evidence to support that statement.
It does however bring up a good point given the numerous EBAs up for renegotiation around the country in the next few months.
Perhaps instead of just donating anonymously, put the name of the company YOU work for. Give those in management of all operators a taste of the support their own pilots have for those standing up for fairness in their value as pilots.
A few people are already doing this and it's great to see the support from not just at QF but others like JQ, VA, VARA and hopefully others to come.
A reminder link for the WA Pilot Strike Fund
It does however bring up a good point given the numerous EBAs up for renegotiation around the country in the next few months.
Perhaps instead of just donating anonymously, put the name of the company YOU work for. Give those in management of all operators a taste of the support their own pilots have for those standing up for fairness in their value as pilots.
A few people are already doing this and it's great to see the support from not just at QF but others like JQ, VA, VARA and hopefully others to come.
A reminder link for the WA Pilot Strike Fund
I know this because it was the advice given via messaging from each other when the hat was passed around.
There’s a risk that it could be construed by management as IA. So the easy solution is to donate anonymously.
“latest newsletter didn’t even mention network.
more focused on security screening!“
You obviously have trouble reading.
I didn’t say the last newsletter.I said one a few weeks ago.
I see you found the newsletter.
more focused on security screening!“
You obviously have trouble reading.
I didn’t say the last newsletter.I said one a few weeks ago.
I see you found the newsletter.
I don’t know who the reps are at AIPA, nor the AFAP or TWU, however they are all volunteering their time for the betterment of their fellow pilots. You might not agree with their approach however they are doing a hell of a lot more than taking pot shots on an anonymous website.
I’m sure they all believe they are doing what is in the best interest of pilots and to accuse any of them (from any union) of ‘selling out’, without any evidence, lowers the tone of the entire debate and is a cheap shot.
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