Eastern EBA
I spent a reasonable number the years in airlines that recruited straight out of GA and it was always the pilots without a proper grasp of the IFR environment that scrubbed out of training, or if lucky they battled on as 'strugglers'.
Move onto the turbines and the same is mostly true, except, generally in most you can easily overtemp them and do lasting damage if you stuff the start, push the levers too far forward, push them forward too fast, pull the props back too fast (turboprops), do something silly with up-scheduling sequences and so on. Pulling back levers suddenly can cause compressor stalls and that can very quickly lead to blade ejection. Ice ingestion can seriously damage inlets and compressors. Sucking a bird or other large fod into the compressor will damage stuff, so off roading through dirt/dust gravel whatever is going to seriously reduce your compressor life. So lots of things there that a pilot can stuff up and do some pretty costly damage, that might not come up on that flight, but the operator will pay for.
Which would I rather have an engine failure in a twin? The turbine of course, because if they are healthy they will continue along at high power, with more than enough performance generally to continue flight and return to land. But that's probably more to do with certification standards of the types I fly rather than piston vs turbine. But to be fair, some piston light twins can fly very well on one engine, depends on the excess power available and conditions on the day.
And it's hard to believe but Rex EBA will have you earning more as well and probably a faster time to command, especially if you compare to the QLink 200-300 fleet, it could be 10s of thousands more per year for similar workload. Easterns and Sunnies have a lot to do this EBA, they are way behind CPI on remuneration, probably somewhere in the region of -20%! (and that's before this years CPI is added)
.....and before you go on about additional allowances like you love to do, shock horror, Q-Link pilots also make allowances.
I'm by no means defending the Eastern EBA, but please stop spreading misinformation. Anyone can pull up the respective EA's on the FWC website and see that the Rex FO base salary is $4k less than the lower 200/300 pay, and $10k less for those that start with 2000 hours (or after Year 4 commences, and add even more for the difference to the Q400 pay). Let's not spread malarkey to people who might be weighing up the two options.
.....and before you go on about additional allowances like you love to do, shock horror, Q-Link pilots also make allowances.
.....and before you go on about additional allowances like you love to do, shock horror, Q-Link pilots also make allowances.
And this is where you have put your foot in it. The difference in Easterns and Rex EBAs are significant in so many ways that you obviously have not read them clearly enough. Easterns include the 7% leave loading and overnight DTA in the base salary, Rex adds it above base, that already puts over $5k on the Rex base. Then there's the small matter that Rex pilots now get 10 days off per 28 days or 8 day with a 1% buy back rate. That means those 2 days off have a value of 13% added per year. Then there's currently overtime paid on any duty that excedes CAO 48 requirements and so on... Like I said its worth $10s of thousands more. I suggest Dash pilots pull their fingers out as they are currently about 20% behind on CPI over the last 10 years.
Overnight's are not included in the base salary at all. Each overnight is roughly $120 tax free give/take depending on the sign off time day 2. Add to that DHA for each hour of duty worked.
Other things EAA have over REX: Better sector/extension allowances, higher working day off rate, payment for duty changes within 48 hours/sign on first hour of reserve, guaranteed J class duty travel, lounge access, higher communications allowance, meal provisions etc.
I think you really to need to have a read through the EBA instead of religiously defending REX against another EBA you clearly have no idea about. As I said, I am not saying it is a great EBA, quite the contrary, but it's certainly better than REX.
Oh and staff travel not being a PDF form sent to a random lady in Cowra helps too....
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Oh dear where do I start...
Overnight's are not included in the base salary at all. Each overnight is roughly $120 tax free give/take depending on the sign off time day 2. Add to that DHA for each hour of duty worked.
Other things EAA have over REX: Better sector/extension allowances, higher working day off rate, payment for duty changes within 48 hours/sign on first hour of reserve, guaranteed J class duty travel, lounge access, higher communications allowance, meal provisions etc.
I think you really to need to have a read through the EBA instead of religiously defending REX against another EBA you clearly have no idea about. As I said, I am not saying it is a great EBA, quite the contrary, but it's certainly better than REX.
Oh and staff travel not being a PDF form sent to a random lady in Cowra helps too....
Overnight's are not included in the base salary at all. Each overnight is roughly $120 tax free give/take depending on the sign off time day 2. Add to that DHA for each hour of duty worked.
Other things EAA have over REX: Better sector/extension allowances, higher working day off rate, payment for duty changes within 48 hours/sign on first hour of reserve, guaranteed J class duty travel, lounge access, higher communications allowance, meal provisions etc.
I think you really to need to have a read through the EBA instead of religiously defending REX against another EBA you clearly have no idea about. As I said, I am not saying it is a great EBA, quite the contrary, but it's certainly better than REX.
Oh and staff travel not being a PDF form sent to a random lady in Cowra helps too....
Never said I was defending Rexs EBA, its still ****e, but when a 34 seat pilot at a minor is being paid more than a 50 seat pilot at a major, you have to be embarrased
Not sure what EBA you are reading but Easterns specifically says allowances for ONs are included in base as well as leave loading. DTA is paid on duty time only where Rex is paid from sign on at home base to sign off at home base, which means you are paid DTA the entire time away from home base. All tax free. Which averages about $200 per overnight. So that alone will add $5k over QLink. And like I said the extra days off equate to an extra 13% again. Who cares about J class travel when you are struggling to pay your mortgage...
Never said I was defending Rexs EBA, its still ****e, but when a 34 seat pilot at a minor is being paid more than a 50 seat pilot at a major, you have to be embarrassed
Never said I was defending Rexs EBA, its still ****e, but when a 34 seat pilot at a minor is being paid more than a 50 seat pilot at a major, you have to be embarrassed
The allowance, with DHA for a standard duty equals the exact same as the DTA rule. They are two different methods of paying a very similar amount to the pilot. The only time the DTA rule works out better is if you have a 3-day trip with minimal flying, which at regional airlines, very rarely happens. However, have a short 1/1 overnight, and you end up worse off with the DTA rule, so it all equals out at the end of the year. One is not better than the other, especially in a regional airline roster. Long haul/trunk domestic is a different story.
You still have no evidence from comparing EBA's that Rex pay is better than Eastern, so you really should stop harping on with that narrative, cause its factually incorrect. Just look at the base pay scales, it's extremely clear who has the higher payscale, even on an expired EBA
Both Eastern and Sunstate are paid allowances for overnights on top of base salary. DHA is paid (and taxed) on duty hours only. The differences between Rex and Qlink EBA’s are being worked on in the current EBA discussions.
https://tribunalsearch.fwc.gov.au/do...%24%24airlines
Can’t see anything in that document that says the pay rates are all inclusive.
https://tribunalsearch.fwc.gov.au/do...%24%24airlines
Can’t see anything in that document that says the pay rates are all inclusive.
Do you get paid Super on DTA or DHA?
Or is this something an IR hero has made up to make it look like you get paid more but will actually save the company money and in 30 years put you out of pocket $100,000+?
Or is this something an IR hero has made up to make it look like you get paid more but will actually save the company money and in 30 years put you out of pocket $100,000+?
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Unless things have changed, EBA negotiations will generally be dragged out for minimum 12 months after expiry, and then a “take it or lose it” very ordinary offer will be made. If voted down, back pay will disappear and negotiations to another ordinary agreement will commence. Partial back pay may come out again as a “sweetener” at some point.
Having said that it’s not a terrible place to work for a bit.
Having said that it’s not a terrible place to work for a bit.
