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Old 4th Mar 2023, 12:02
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I get to fly in and out of Sunny a bit, there's a sea of purple parked up, I don't get the business model that sees an airline launch and then has most of its jets parked up.
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Old 4th Mar 2023, 12:45
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Originally Posted by MickG0105
The Bonza pax data isn't available through third party reporting sites such as Expert Flyer....
And why is that? ...
I'm not sure but I would hazard a guess that it is a sign that Bonza are not using one of the mainstream GDSs for bookings. That would gel with the fact that you can only book through their app.
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Old 4th Mar 2023, 21:22
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Originally Posted by MickG0105
I'm not sure but I would hazard a guess that it is a sign that Bonza are not using one of the mainstream GDSs for bookings. That would gel with the fact that you can only book through their app.
They use AeroCRS and Worldticket which are owned by the parent company. I am not sure how they will go with app only access, to me it’s a bit of an oversight much like Compass MK1 deciding food isn’t important. They are price leading but don’t show on kayak, google flights etc.

‘’This week they have 1 flight a day excluding Wednesday and Saturdays, mostly PSP and MKY. Not doing MKY mid week means they miss the “locals” who self FIFO. Last week I had a look an hour out from the MKY bound flight and counted 50 odd seats reserved/blocked, fare was $48 each way, ymmv.

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Bonza catering revealed


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Old 4th Mar 2023, 23:42
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Originally Posted by markis10
They use AeroCRS and Worldticket which are owned by the parent company. I am not sure how they will go with app only access, to me it’s a bit of an oversight much like Compass MK1 deciding food isn’t important. They are price leading but don’t show on kayak, google flights etc.

‘’This week they have 1 flight a day excluding Wednesday and Saturdays, mostly PSP and MKY. Not doing MKY mid week means they miss the “locals” who self FIFO. Last week I had a look an hour out from the MKY bound flight and counted 50 odd seats reserved/blocked, fare was $48 each way, ymmv.
Thanks for that information regarding AeroCRS. It seems as though 777 Partners have a few ongoing revenue streams from this venture.

Regarding flights, I'm seeing two a day, every day except Sundays.

Mon - MCY-TSV, TSV-ROK
Tue - MCY-MEL, MCY-PPP
Wed - MCY-TSV, TSV-ROK
Thu - MCY-MKY, MCY-PPP
Fri - MCY-TSV, TSV-ROK
Sat - MCY-MEL, MCY-MKY
Sun - MCY-PPP
All same day returns.

They're certainly not setting the world on fire. As you've noted, not servicing Mackay more frequently seems to be letting a potentially good base load (FIFO) go begging.

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Old 7th Mar 2023, 06:09
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Pax loads

I guess the spies are counting heads on Bonza and I wonder what the initial uptake has been like.

hard to see any advertising around either

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Old 7th Mar 2023, 07:14
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You can simply jump on the app, do a booking 2-3 hours before, to gauge some numbers, if you are really interested. No trade secret the majority of passengers checkin online, and drop bags later.

Diving into the app, yes, it does appear that they are struggling, however only been on sale for just over a month, not sure how long one would give it. Domestic can fill up very quickly within the last few weeks and days, you do need that capital city push however to make that happen. The best performing route appears to be Avalon, which could be good news for the Melbourne base they are planning on starting. But routes like TSV-ROK, MCY-PPP, are doing about as great as everyone on here guessed. Does not bode well for some other upcoming routes like Rockhampton to Sunny Coast, Wellcamp to Proserpine/Townsville, Coffs/Port to Sunny Coast. Did Jetstar and Tiger both not pull out of Rockhampton citing poor demand?

I guess the next thing is, how do they navigate the bad press re constantly chopping and changing the network in the coming months. Don't want to fall into the Jetstar bucket, ie most unreliable airline on the land.
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Trouble in Canada....
Explains why VH UDV ended up going to Flair
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Old 12th Mar 2023, 06:45
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Alarm bells in Canada more like it. Leasing companies/banks generally will go to considerable lengths, and work with many parties to avoid repossession. To take 20% of the fleet overnight isn't done lightly.
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Old 12th Mar 2023, 23:38
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I'd agree entirely in a normal economy, but some of these airlines signed very good deals during the covid slowdown combined with Max grounding. The lease company's may be looking for simple ways to break lease and sign better deals with other operators, being silly enough to fall a few days behind in payments would probably be enough. Or Flair is just a basket case and is genuinely having cash flow problems and the lease holders want out.
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Old 12th Mar 2023, 23:43
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Flair

Flair a sister company to Bonza and funded by 777Partners just had four B738Max repossessed by the lessors.

Canada's Flair Airlines cancels multiple flights after 4 planes seized over 'commercial dispute'

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Old 13th Mar 2023, 00:29
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Watched “Sheila” arrive in TSV ex MCY this morning. Looked like a close to full load inbound but a very sparsely populated departure lounge for the departure to ROK.

sample size of 1, mind you…
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Old 14th Mar 2023, 09:21
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Originally Posted by apacau
Watched “Sheila” arrive in TSV ex MCY this morning. Looked like a close to full load inbound but a very sparsely populated departure lounge for the departure to ROK.

sample size of 1, mind you…
The economy is tanking. What does everyone expect?
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Old 14th Mar 2023, 10:27
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I’d love to know what your definition of ‘tanking’ is. Definitely not what the loads on most flights I go on would have you believe.
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Old 14th Mar 2023, 10:36
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Definitely not tanking from what I see.
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Old 15th Mar 2023, 03:55
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ng-crisis.html

That’s reality for those with mortgages , where people have homes paid off it’s still boomsville. I spoke to a debt collector this morning his bad debt work has doubled from January and this is without electricity price increases starting in July. There is real pain out there IMO.
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Old 15th Mar 2023, 05:08
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Ah yes, the Daily Mail, the bastion that is reliable and trustworthy information
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Old 15th Mar 2023, 05:20
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Only the naive that purchased a house thinking that the cash rate would stay below 1% are in trouble, ppl need to take accountability for their own and stop blaming comments PL made, he did say until 2024 anyway so what would of happen if the same just occurred then. Goods will never go down they will remain high now just look at petrol that’s the new normal get used to it. If you 1/4 of a brain you would have risk asses a house purchase and add a few % to ensure you could afford it and if you can’t you just have to look elsewhere. I k ow my rate percentage limit we are long way off from it.
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The economy is current stagnating, we appear to be approaching a tipping point. This isn't the time to launch a low cost leisure only carrier, that carries no business traffic (ie margin), has no profitable loyalty program to keep it going in the down times, with a model that is purely reliant on "getting people out of the car" between small regional populated areas. The others are in the opposite boat, have large frequency, and with that have the ability to scale down, offsetting that reduced leisure traffic. The others also have large revenue streams via corporate and freight options. They are well set going into the coming period, and will likely record margin gains. Bonza has none of that. $0.

SHVC, you are one of the smart ones. Many others are only starting to notice, about now, that things are going to be tough in the back half. Much talk today about power prices in the market. Just another headwind as we edge closer and closer to recession, while we might remain on the right side of that, the pain is still large. How is Bonza a winner in the current market conditions, and forecasts, over the coming months?
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The economy is current stagnating, we appear to be approaching a tipping point.
So much stagnating that the Reserve Bank is increasing rates regularly to cool the heat in the economy. There are massive shortages of workers. Prices are higher, yes indeed, but even 7% means that the $100 basket of groceries last year now costs $107. Not really earth shattering for about 80% of the population. The media are overstating the pain, as always. Power prices are a worry, the effect is being seen in house settlements and successful home loan applications, both falling.
As to a tipping point, there is no such thing in the economy. The language borrowed from the climate change industry, where it is also completely incorrect.
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