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Old 25th Feb 2023, 07:54
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Tamworth- Sunny coast. Wellcamp- Townsville.
What are these people smoking???
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Old 25th Feb 2023, 10:38
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Originally Posted by Tyranosoaring Rex
Tamworth- Sunny coast. Wellcamp- Townsville.
What are these people smoking???
Dunno but $24.50 for each kind of music leaves plenty $$s for the tobacconist
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Old 25th Feb 2023, 12:46
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Good....Different....Sound familiar? Thankyou 777p for coming down under and giving Bonza a crack. I think your flexible business and marketing strategies focusing on point to point leisure travellers will prove successful and max utilization of your aircraft will be achieved far sooner than many foresee.
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Old 25th Feb 2023, 20:15
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Originally Posted by selfappointed
Good....Different....Sound familiar? Thankyou 777p for coming down under and giving Bonza a crack. I think your flexible business and marketing strategies focusing on point to point leisure travellers will prove successful and max utilization of your aircraft will be achieved far sooner than many foresee.
itís not April Foolís Day yet.

Flair in Canada arenít setting the Canadian market on fire either. Sacked their COO and a new one arrives from LOT Polish Airlines

Air North struggled on Wellcamp to TSV and MEL and couldnít fill the E170ís and were cash subsidised by Wagnerís
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Old 25th Feb 2023, 21:53
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Originally Posted by TBM-Legend

Air North struggled on Wellcamp to TSV and MEL and couldnít fill the E170ís and were cash subsidised by Wagnerís
Massive difference in pricing however
Wellcamp to TSV, CNS and MEL on Air North were well over $300 one way where as Bonza are from $129 to MEL and $69 to TSV

In other words, take a family of 4 Wellcamp to Townsville
Air North $2400.00+
Bonza $560.00

Let's be honest, with Air North, if you had to go, you could either drive to BNE to save over $1000.00 or pay the $2400
Bonza would just be a no brainer right....
So need to compare apples with apples, just because Air North failed does not mean Bonza will......
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Originally Posted by Deano969
Massive difference in pricing however
Wellcamp to TSV, CNS and MEL on Air North were well over $300 one way where as Bonza are from $129 to MEL and $69 to TSV

In other words, take a family of 4 Wellcamp to Townsville
Air North $2400.00+
Bonza $560.00

Let's be honest, with Air North, if you had to go, you could either drive to BNE to save over $1000.00 or pay the $2400
Bonza would just be a no brainer right....
So need to compare apples with apples, just because Air North failed does not mean Bonza will......

I come from Toowoomba. Not many are interested in the sh$thole of the north (Iíve lived there too) and why Melbourne?
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Old 26th Feb 2023, 07:13
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Originally Posted by Deano969
So need to compare apples with apples, just because Air North failed does not mean Bonza will......
What about the elephant in the room, the tanking economy.

The family from Wellcamp or Mildura might save some cash by flying the new low cost entrant, but they are also facing the "fixed rate cliff". The option for them is simple, don't go at all. I am no economist, but it's pretty clear, with fixed rates falling away, energy prices surging, and we can go on and on, but the point is, it is about to get tough. Reduced discretionary spend is top of the list, isn't that Bonza's revenue? The language from the market this week was much the same, from all the big players. Caution is the new normal.

Is this really the right time of the decade to be launching a new startup?
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Old 26th Feb 2023, 09:40
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Mortgage cliff schmorgage cliff.

It's in the newspapers' interest to drum up a "crisis".

The number of bad mortgages resulting in foreclosure will be a single digit percentage.

​​A generalisation: Aussies are good at battening down the hatches. The GFC trained us well to spend less and save more. So much so that back then the government were begging us to spend more to keep retailers open. All households are feeling the pinch of inflation but... relatively few will lose their homes.

What is a certainty, the rich will get richer by buying the distressed assets.

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Old 26th Feb 2023, 11:53
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If I lived in Toowoomba Iíd need a damn good reason to pay 500 bucks to take my family to Townsville. Who even goes to Townsville anyway?
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Originally Posted by TBM-Legend
I come from Toowoomba. Not many are interested in the sh$thole of the north (Iíve lived there too) and why Melbourne?
Mate could we see the results of your straw poll please. Or are you just speaking for the whole of the large population of Toowoomba with
no actual guaging of what people may like to do.

Barrier Reef, Maggie Island, game fishing, warm winters.....I've lived there as well, loved it, and the wife and I are planning a Townsville holiday
for this year.

So please.- the results of your poll would be great
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Old 28th Feb 2023, 11:52
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Apparently the first TVL-ROk flight had less than 30 pax. That is less than what VA carried on the E170 on the same route over 10 years ago. Photos on Facebook show the empty seats.
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Old 28th Feb 2023, 23:03
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Originally Posted by Zinfandel
Apparently the first TVL-ROk flight had less than 30 pax. That is less than what VA carried on the E170 on the same route over 10 years ago. Photos on Facebook show the empty seats.
Not good
I think this route was a bit of an afterthought though, even I would not have thought this would work
Do you have info on how their Sunny Coast departures are doing?
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Old 1st Mar 2023, 01:19
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Originally Posted by Deano969
Not good
I think this route was a bit of an afterthought though, even I would not have thought this would work
Do you have info on how their Sunny Coast departures are doing?
Plus I assume the aircraft went WTB-TSV first- any idea of the loads?
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Plus I assume the aircraft went WTB-TSV first- any idea of the loads?
slight drift: Auckland Tower used to require PoB on first contact on the Tower Freq.
Rumour has it that when Jet * started flying to NZ they objected to announcing their PoB over the Tower freq because it was sensitive information they didnít want their competitors knowing, so it stopped.

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Originally Posted by rodney rude
Mate could we see the results of your straw poll please. Or are you just speaking for the whole of the large population of Toowoomba with
no actual guaging of what people may like to do.

Barrier Reef, Maggie Island, game fishing, warm winters.....I've lived there as well, loved it, and the wife and I are planning a Townsville holiday
for this year.

So please.- the results of your poll would be great
Iím from Toowoomba and lived and worked in Townsville and the north for over 20 years. Magnetic Is is a dump with a reasonable beach and apart from the September Carnival of Flowers whoís flying southbound.
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Originally Posted by TBM-Legend
Iím from Toowoomba and lived and worked in Townsville and the north for over 20 years. Magnetic Is is a dump with a reasonable beach and apart from the September Carnival of Flowers whoís flying southbound.
  • Townsville had the highest per capita rate of home break-ins in Australia
  • Queensland featured heavily, with Cairns, Brisbane and Toowoomba in top 10
  • Queensland also had the highest total number of home break-ins in 2022
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Old 4th Mar 2023, 09:37
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Seems very quiet here. No one is posting the actual passenger numbers on each flight like they were doing with REX.

I was at YBSU today and there was only 1 Bonza flight and 3 Bonza 737s parked up. Test QF, JQ and VA had multiple flights.

Also looking at flights out of YBSU, outside of peak flights on the QF group are as low as $77.
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Old 4th Mar 2023, 10:15
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Rex from the start ran a dozen plus flights a day with Sharpie telling the media they are full and Qantas better watch out, all you pilots get paid too much blah blah blah, meanwhile the truth exposed was single digits loads daily. Thatís why they got called out on here, the comments from both Chairs in that joint was a disgrace. Some people got quite defensive when those numbers got called out, and repeatedly tried to shut those comments down, strange, as numbers are numbers. We also had members telling the rest of the group, that we should have our conditions chopped and follow the lead re Rex and Virgin. They know who they are, terrible behaviour.

Bonza has one flight a day, or 0.12% daily capacity within the market, until they get a dozen plus a day way too early to say. Even the Bonza boss said publicly, they will know pretty quick if the model is or isnít going to work. As we have seen in the UK and US with these models, they generally operate to a sessional schedule across the year, likely where many of these routes here will end up also, and the owner has already said that up front if some markets donít work.


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Old 4th Mar 2023, 10:45
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Originally Posted by Zinfandel
... No one is posting the actual passenger numbers on each flight like they were doing with REX.
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The Bonza pax data isn't available through third party reporting sites such as Expert Flyer.

Originally Posted by PoppaJo
... Bonza has one flight a day ...
Two most days. That still routinely leaves three jets parked up and less than a kilometre from the surf.

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Originally Posted by MickG0105
The Bonza pax data isn't available through third party reporting sites such as Expert Flyer.
And why is that? If you were confident with pax numbers you would say it. Virgin Blue did this with the media back when they started. However Bonza has been very quiet since their first flight. Those that have flown Bonza are posting on Facebook and saying great flight, but less than 30 pax per flight on average.
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