Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Worldwide > Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific
Reload this Page >

Qantas pilot sues the airline for sexual harassment

Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific Airline and RPT Rumours & News in Australia, enZed and the Pacific

Qantas pilot sues the airline for sexual harassment

Old 10th Nov 2022, 03:55
  #141 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2022
Location: tossbagville
Posts: 603
Received 30 Likes on 19 Posts
And who provided those names to the print media, and for what reason,
Wouldn't be hard to find out right. maybe the name of the person/s who leaked to the media, should be leaked to the media.
tossbag is offline  
Old 10th Nov 2022, 04:01
  #142 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: The World
Posts: 1,937
Received 36 Likes on 23 Posts
Originally Posted by itsnotthatbloodyhard View Post
And who provided those names to the print media, and for what reason,
Media companies have access to full court documents, so no names would’ve been “leaked”. They simply had access to the documents and as there was no suppression order from the court they were free to publish them.

dr dre is offline  
Old 10th Nov 2022, 04:34
  #143 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Australia/India
Posts: 4,651
Received 17 Likes on 14 Posts
Private citizens have access as well. Members of the public have a right to inspect any court file (subject to the court restricting access to some files or some documents in some files in special circumstances, as dr dre said).
Lead Balloon is online now  
Old 10th Nov 2022, 06:11
  #144 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: somers
Posts: 31
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
What I can't come to terms with, despite this being Qantas, is a bloke putting the hard word on one of his colleagues in a city like Bangkok. Just doesn't make sense.
prickly is offline  
Old 10th Nov 2022, 12:11
  #145 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Elsewhere
Posts: 548
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 1 Post
Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
Media companies have access to full court documents, so no names would’ve been “leaked”. They simply had access to the documents and as there was no suppression order from the court they were free to publish them.
I understood that the issue involving C&T pilots was dealt with internally by QF HR and didn’t involve the courts (unlike this more recent harassment case). Not so?
itsnotthatbloodyhard is offline  
Old 11th Nov 2022, 02:05
  #146 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Somewhere
Posts: 320
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Seems like the RAF have a similar conundrum. Standards are standards that bare no correlation to gender but it seems that’s been forgotten.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...ty-quotas.html
Troo believer is offline  
Old 11th Nov 2022, 02:10
  #147 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2022
Location: tossbagville
Posts: 603
Received 30 Likes on 19 Posts
I understood that the issue involving C&T pilots was dealt with internally by QF HR and didn’t involve the courts
So, the matter could have been dealt with internally but names still made it to the media? Leaked by whom?
tossbag is offline  
Old 11th Nov 2022, 02:31
  #148 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Australia
Posts: 386
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 1 Post
I often got asked to get preflight coffee for long haul operations. The responsibility was shared around amongst all pilots, SOs included. Quite often at briefing, the Captain would say “it’s my turn this transit” and arrived at the flight deck 10 mins later with four coffees while everyone else had made a start on preflight.

In fact, most people got enjoyment from bringing coffee for the other pilots and it was often good for building rapport at the start of a trip. It never occurred to me that it was anything other than normal.

Im glad that now and anytime into the future, if I fail at anything in life and want to avoid looking inward, I will be able to retrospectively claim I was discriminated against for having a penis and having to get coffees.

Further, imagine if, as a man, my parents had the foresight to name me “Emilya”. All I’d need to do is perceive in my own mind that one person looked surprised at my male gender when they met me… bingo, get my victim game on and demand a heap of cash.

I hope the pilots named in the article litigate.
Slippery_Pete is offline  
Old 11th Nov 2022, 02:40
  #149 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Under The Southern Cross
Posts: 39
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by tossbag View Post
So, the matter could have been dealt with internally but names still made it to the media? Leaked by whom?
which media organisation published the names?
WhoFlungDung is offline  
Old 11th Nov 2022, 04:55
  #150 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2022
Location: tossbagville
Posts: 603
Received 30 Likes on 19 Posts
Dunno, just joining in the convo, read that names were leaked but then told if it's in the courts then names are public, but if it was dealt with internally then names would have been confidential, which means someone leaked to the media?
tossbag is offline  
Old 12th Nov 2022, 03:42
  #151 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Australia
Age: 45
Posts: 122
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Good luck to him, i wish him well and good luck in court
red_dirt is offline  
Old 13th Nov 2022, 08:38
  #152 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: York
Posts: 44
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Slippery_Pete View Post
I often got asked to get preflight coffee for long haul operations. The responsibility was shared around amongst all pilots, SOs included. Quite often at briefing, the Captain would say “it’s my turn this transit” and arrived at the flight deck 10 mins later with four coffees while everyone else had made a start on preflight.

In fact, most people got enjoyment from bringing coffee for the other pilots and it was often good for building rapport at the start of a trip. It never occurred to me that it was anything other than normal.

Im glad that now and anytime into the future, if I fail at anything in life and want to avoid looking inward, I will be able to retrospectively claim I was discriminated against for having a penis and having to get coffees.

Further, imagine if, as a man, my parents had the foresight to name me “Emilya”. All I’d need to do is perceive in my own mind that one person looked surprised at my male gender when they met me… bingo, get my victim game on and demand a heap of cash.

I hope the pilots named in the article litigate.
Alternatively, imagine if say at least 50% of the time you arrive for your preflight to be greeted with a cheerful get is a coffee love perhaps you’d think differently. Apart from the case itself, some of the comments on this thread are the most depressing stuff I’ve read in ages.
Blue_Circle is offline  
Old 13th Nov 2022, 10:14
  #153 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Somewhere
Posts: 320
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Originally Posted by Blue_Circle View Post
Alternatively, imagine if say at least 50% of the time you arrive for your preflight to be greeted with a cheerful get is a coffee love perhaps you’d think differently. Apart from the case itself, some of the comments on this thread are the most depressing stuff I’ve read in ages.
That’s rubbish. I’ve never seen or heard a male pilot speak to a female pilot in those terms. Quite the opposite I’d say. Here is more food for thought.
https://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/...07-p5bw8y.html
Troo believer is offline  
Old 13th Nov 2022, 12:59
  #154 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Brisvegas
Posts: 3,584
Likes: 0
Received 27 Likes on 20 Posts
I have seen two female CC managers who should be ashamed of themselves for the way they treated their female subordinates. I have never seen a man treat women like that.
Icarus2001 is offline  
Old 13th Nov 2022, 15:10
  #155 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: by the seaside
Age: 73
Posts: 419
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
An old mucka recanted a story whilst flying with the fleet chief on a wide body with a lady rhs who advised said chief that he should go around as they were unstabilised..chief replied in a vein of go back to your knitting ‘DEAR’ and carried on with the approach. Mucka removed the FDR tape and handed it to the chief mentioning he was out of order…
My last lot didn’t get females in the cockpit until well into the 1980s with some of the locals refusing to fly with them as enlarging crew.
blind pew is online now  
Old 13th Nov 2022, 23:23
  #156 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Elsewhere
Posts: 548
Likes: 0
Received 5 Likes on 1 Post
Originally Posted by Blue_Circle View Post
imagine if say at least 50% of the time you arrive for your preflight to be greeted with a cheerful get is a coffee love perhaps you’d think differently.
’Imagine’ being the operative word, since there’s no actual evidence of anything of the sort happening, outside your own imagination.
itsnotthatbloodyhard is offline  
Old 14th Nov 2022, 10:45
  #157 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: OZ
Posts: 1,079
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I really think that we might be winding each other up here.
I can only think of maybe a couple of d1ckhead CPT who treated the women pilots that we had with any sort of disrespect. Unsurprisingly these clowns spent their slip time drinking alone.
In my 46 years in Flt Ops I discovered that there were male and female pilots in all strata - those who were excellent, those who were good standard operators, those who were marginal and a few of both genders who weren't worth feeding.
I saw all our women treated with respect or I had words with the perpetrators, just like most of my colleagues.
mustafagander is online now  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information

Copyright © 2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.