Qantas pilot sues the airline for sexual harassment
The candidate pool for female pilots is much smaller than male pilots - if you force a large hiring quota on female candidates it becomes a mathematical certainty that you hire less competent pilots, the same is true in most STEM fields especially engineering.
Strange how these people never demand equal employment for women in sewage workers or bricklaying jobs (97% male by the way).
Strange how these people never demand equal employment for women in sewage workers or bricklaying jobs (97% male by the way).
Unbelievable. Point 1. Attacking an individual and not the topic. Point 2. Doing exactly the same as a discriminator does by attempting to degrading someone because of race, age etc.
So, anyone that is white, male and old, should never make a comment on anything because they are white, old, and male.
The candidate pool for female pilots is much smaller than male pilots - if you force a large hiring quota on female candidates it becomes a mathematical certainty that you hire less competent pilots, the same is true in most STEM fields especially engineering.
Strange how these people never demand equal employment for women in sewage workers or bricklaying jobs (97% male by the way).
Strange how these people never demand equal employment for women in sewage workers or bricklaying jobs (97% male by the way).
Back in 2019..
The national carrier has said that addressing the gender imbalance among pilots – which globally stands at just five per cent women – will be key to meeting market demand for aviators. Around 17 per cent of the 22,000 people who have registered their interest in the Academy are female.
APPLICATIONS OPEN FOR QANTAS GROUP PILOT ACADEMY (qantasnewsroom.com.au)
Anyone know...how many of the 17% who registered an interest in 2019
a) were told they couldn't get on the course because they were female and the sky wasn't pink
b) started the course
c) finished the course
d) got a job with Qantas at the end of it, ahead of a guy with the same aptitude?
I have anecdotal information but would be interested in some real numbers.
The national carrier has said that addressing the gender imbalance among pilots – which globally stands at just five per cent women – will be key to meeting market demand for aviators. Around 17 per cent of the 22,000 people who have registered their interest in the Academy are female.
APPLICATIONS OPEN FOR QANTAS GROUP PILOT ACADEMY (qantasnewsroom.com.au)
Anyone know...how many of the 17% who registered an interest in 2019
a) were told they couldn't get on the course because they were female and the sky wasn't pink
b) started the course
c) finished the course
d) got a job with Qantas at the end of it, ahead of a guy with the same aptitude?
I have anecdotal information but would be interested in some real numbers.
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Roguesville, cloud cuckooland
Posts: 1,197
Likes: 0
Received 16 Likes
on
5 Posts
This thread is both drearily predictable and noteworthy for the complete absence of any facts relating to the original article in the Oz.
While I am talking about that, the original OZ article is also noteworthy for its lack balance and insight.
The truth of what happened bears no relationship to actual discrimination, but the attempt to portray certain events as discrimination.
Others have said it, but it bears repeating; if an organisation representing the physical incarnation of peak woke, the QF HR department, took six months to return a verdict of no discrimination by those accused, then there are other factors at play.
You can work out what those factors would be by imagining yourself as an average Pilot now rostered to fly or be a simulator support pilot for the complainant.
You can also cogitate on the possible mental state of those were accused of something they simply didn’t do, whose names were printed in the newspaper, and who received no support from their Chief Pilot for the 25 weeks their futures were being debated by an organisation with an awesome reputation for puritanical virtue signaling.
Have a think about those things and the ramifications of the current situation will become blindingly clear.
While I am talking about that, the original OZ article is also noteworthy for its lack balance and insight.
The truth of what happened bears no relationship to actual discrimination, but the attempt to portray certain events as discrimination.
Others have said it, but it bears repeating; if an organisation representing the physical incarnation of peak woke, the QF HR department, took six months to return a verdict of no discrimination by those accused, then there are other factors at play.
You can work out what those factors would be by imagining yourself as an average Pilot now rostered to fly or be a simulator support pilot for the complainant.
You can also cogitate on the possible mental state of those were accused of something they simply didn’t do, whose names were printed in the newspaper, and who received no support from their Chief Pilot for the 25 weeks their futures were being debated by an organisation with an awesome reputation for puritanical virtue signaling.
Have a think about those things and the ramifications of the current situation will become blindingly clear.
Last edited by Capt Kremin; 6th Nov 2022 at 04:27. Reason: clarity
Spot on Kremlin. The mind blowing steering off course resulting in pathetic virtue signalling and insults from cowardly keyboard warriors. Very few here know the truth but it doesn’t stop the drivel. As a long time airline pilot I could care less about the gender, sexuality or colour of my colleagues as long as they do a professional job.
Finally Capt Kremlin makes some valid points.
The total vibe of the article, the way it’s been handled in Qantas, the lack of mention, the divulgence of innocent peoples names makes me wonder if it hasn’t been done with the tactile support of HR? Perhaps file photos or recent?
Not to mention the self indulgence of the claimant that she’s the trailblazer, despite the not insignificant women who hold leading roles inside Qantas all remaining silent.
The self importance.
The total vibe of the article, the way it’s been handled in Qantas, the lack of mention, the divulgence of innocent peoples names makes me wonder if it hasn’t been done with the tactile support of HR? Perhaps file photos or recent?
Not to mention the self indulgence of the claimant that she’s the trailblazer, despite the not insignificant women who hold leading roles inside Qantas all remaining silent.
The self importance.
Capt Kremin nails this whole thread. Nothing left to say.
Some people don't like him but Jordan Petersen does a great talk on Gender equality in work and why is can never work along with why some careers favours one gender over the other. He talks about why the Legal proffession is dominated by Females and why a quota system will NEVER work. As stated above, if you take a profession such as nursing which has a low percentage of male participants and enforce a 50/50 quota you will end up with lesser quality candidates. If you really want to 'even' things out you need to address the reasons we have a lower number of females interested in a flying career and that is a very long term project.
From a reference in this thread, and at least vaguely relevant to some of the discussion here, I found the discourse from about 7:25 in this video to be quite interesting. Great attitude:
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Canada
Posts: 134
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: UK
Posts: 137
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The real issue is elements of the print media which published the names of some of the alleged QF offenders.
Those check and/or training pilots whose names were published, must now have grounds for court action, especially given QF has said in the same article that the assertions by the claimant were not substantiated.
Those check and/or training pilots whose names were published, must now have grounds for court action, especially given QF has said in the same article that the assertions by the claimant were not substantiated.
And who provided those names to the print media, and for what reason,