Qantas pilot sues the airline for sexual harassment

[dr dre]

Originally Posted by itsnotthatbloodyhard

And who provided those names to the print media, and for what reason,

Media companies have access to full court documents, so no names would’ve been “leaked”. They simply had access to the documents and as there was no suppression order from the court they were free to publish them.

[Lead Balloon]

Private citizens have access as well. Members of the public have a right to inspect any court file (subject to the court restricting access to some files or some documents in some files in special circumstances, as dr dre said).

[prickly]

What I can't come to terms with, despite this being Qantas, is a bloke putting the hard word on one of his colleagues in a city like Bangkok. Just doesn't make sense.

[itsnotthatbloodyhard]

Originally Posted by dr dre

Media companies have access to full court documents, so no names would’ve been “leaked”. They simply had access to the documents and as there was no suppression order from the court they were free to publish them.

I understood that the issue involving C&T pilots was dealt with internally by QF HR and didn’t involve the courts (unlike this more recent harassment case). Not so?

[Troo believer]

Seems like the RAF have a similar conundrum. Standards are standards that bare no correlation to gender but it seems that’s been forgotten.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...ty-quotas.html

[tossbag]

I understood that the issue involving C&T pilots was dealt with internally by QF HR and didn’t involve the courts

So, the matter could have been dealt with internally but names still made it to the media? Leaked by whom?

[Slippery_Pete]

I often got asked to get preflight coffee for long haul operations. The responsibility was shared around amongst all pilots, SOs included. Quite often at briefing, the Captain would say “it’s my turn this transit” and arrived at the flight deck 10 mins later with four coffees while everyone else had made a start on preflight.

In fact, most people got enjoyment from bringing coffee for the other pilots and it was often good for building rapport at the start of a trip. It never occurred to me that it was anything other than normal.

Im glad that now and anytime into the future, if I fail at anything in life and want to avoid looking inward, I will be able to retrospectively claim I was discriminated against for having a penis and having to get coffees.

Further, imagine if, as a man, my parents had the foresight to name me “Emilya”. All I’d need to do is perceive in my own mind that one person looked surprised at my male gender when they met me… bingo, get my victim game on and demand a heap of cash.

I hope the pilots named in the article litigate.

[WhoFlungDung]

Originally Posted by tossbag

So, the matter could have been dealt with internally but names still made it to the media? Leaked by whom?

which media organisation published the names?

[tossbag]

Dunno, just joining in the convo, read that names were leaked but then told if it's in the courts then names are public, but if it was dealt with internally then names would have been confidential, which means someone leaked to the media?

[red_dirt]

Good luck to him, i wish him well and good luck in court

[Blue_Circle]

Originally Posted by Slippery_Pete

I often got asked to get preflight coffee for long haul operations. The responsibility was shared around amongst all pilots, SOs included. Quite often at briefing, the Captain would say “it’s my turn this transit” and arrived at the flight deck 10 mins later with four coffees while everyone else had made a start on preflight.

In fact, most people got enjoyment from bringing coffee for the other pilots and it was often good for building rapport at the start of a trip. It never occurred to me that it was anything other than normal.

Im glad that now and anytime into the future, if I fail at anything in life and want to avoid looking inward, I will be able to retrospectively claim I was discriminated against for having a penis and having to get coffees.

Further, imagine if, as a man, my parents had the foresight to name me “Emilya”. All I’d need to do is perceive in my own mind that one person looked surprised at my male gender when they met me… bingo, get my victim game on and demand a heap of cash.

I hope the pilots named in the article litigate.

Alternatively, imagine if say at least 50% of the time you arrive for your preflight to be greeted with a cheerful get is a coffee love perhaps you’d think differently. Apart from the case itself, some of the comments on this thread are the most depressing stuff I’ve read in ages.

[Troo believer]

Originally Posted by Blue_Circle

Alternatively, imagine if say at least 50% of the time you arrive for your preflight to be greeted with a cheerful get is a coffee love perhaps you’d think differently. Apart from the case itself, some of the comments on this thread are the most depressing stuff I’ve read in ages.

That’s rubbish. I’ve never seen or heard a male pilot speak to a female pilot in those terms. Quite the opposite I’d say. Here is more food for thought.
https://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/...07-p5bw8y.html

[Icarus2001]

I have seen two female CC managers who should be ashamed of themselves for the way they treated their female subordinates. I have never seen a man treat women like that.

[blind pew]

An old mucka recanted a story whilst flying with the fleet chief on a wide body with a lady rhs who advised said chief that he should go around as they were unstabilised..chief replied in a vein of go back to your knitting ‘DEAR’ and carried on with the approach. Mucka removed the FDR tape and handed it to the chief mentioning he was out of order…
My last lot didn’t get females in the cockpit until well into the 1980s with some of the locals refusing to fly with them as enlarging crew.

[itsnotthatbloodyhard]

Originally Posted by Blue_Circle

imagine if say at least 50% of the time you arrive for your preflight to be greeted with a cheerful get is a coffee love perhaps you’d think differently.

’Imagine’ being the operative word, since there’s no actual evidence of anything of the sort happening, outside your own imagination.

[mustafagander]

I really think that we might be winding each other up here.
I can only think of maybe a couple of d1ckhead CPT who treated the women pilots that we had with any sort of disrespect. Unsurprisingly these clowns spent their slip time drinking alone.
In my 46 years in Flt Ops I discovered that there were male and female pilots in all strata - those who were excellent, those who were good standard operators, those who were marginal and a few of both genders who weren't worth feeding.
I saw all our women treated with respect or I had words with the perpetrators, just like most of my colleagues.