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Old 1st Oct 2022, 06:25
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Skirts have been worn since ages of years by men as well. Look at Greece or Scotland. They are just garments not a sexual identity statement. Why is this now considered to be such a move? Be what you want to be. I am perfectly fine to accept everybody's lifestyle and orientation. Still it can be too noisy for my taste at times. Who would want and needs to know about the sexual orientation of others except for their closest friends? Why the need to make this such a show?
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Old 1st Oct 2022, 07:32
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I can't wait to choose my own pro-noun....this is going to be hilarious!
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Originally Posted by CaptainInsaneO
I can't wait to choose my own pro-noun....this is going to be hilarious!
I'm going to insist on my own adjectives

What ... why not?

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Old 1st Oct 2022, 13:42
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Originally Posted by Beryllium Erbium
... And for the record, I haven't seen one woman pilot wear a skirt in the cockpit, ever...
You have now.

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Originally Posted by Beryllium Erbium
Putin is a tyrant and a war criminal, but on the above issue he is right.
Originally Posted by Icarus2001
That all depends on your values and point of view.

Are you aware that in the UK police have visited the houses of individuals to CAUTION them about using the wrong pronouns for other people on social media? Look it up.

Seems like a big issue to me when the police (the state) is enforcing compelled use of language.
As Usual with the outright lies from these Criminals this is not the case, the individuals who have recieved warnings and accepted Cautions have been people who have conducted a calculated, repeeadeed and prolific campagin of arragravted harassment

the eventual result of such behaviours aside from becoming completely unemployable ( G Linehan, A Bailey, M forstater) is eventually their behaviour becomes so probelmatic that it strays itno criminality which has to be acted upon, while Alex ' the voice of reason' Belfields victims were across the spectrum of gender and sexuality, there were LGB and Trans individuals he targetted ... Belfield was recently sentenced for 5 and half years in jail , despite his guilt being proven to Criminal Standards on 4of the 8 specimen charges he faced


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Old 1st Oct 2022, 20:06
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I am not sure if folks knew but not that long ago female cabin crew at Virgin Atlantic were not permitted to wear trousers and had to comply with the very strict make up policy. That is, bright red lipstick and I believe, red nail polish. You could argue that they knew what they were getting into and so shouldn't complain. Fortunately, times are becoming a bit more enlightened about the role of cabin crew.

British Airways, KLM, Lufthansa permit their female cabin crew to wear skirts, dresses or trousers as they seem fit.
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Old 1st Oct 2022, 20:32
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I've always thought it was unfair that men wanting to dress unconventionally are subject to ridicule..The ladies don't have this problem.
What I'm talking about is that e.g. a gorgeous woman in a suit and ties, well, is simply gorgeous. A woman in trousers, normal. But a man in a skirt, no way !!! Why is the term "transvestite" limited to men ?
Anyhow, I have no desire to wear a skirt myself, but insist that people (of both genders) should be allowed to wear whatever they like.
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Old 1st Oct 2022, 20:36
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Originally Posted by unworry
Reminds me of a quote from Andrew Wilkow

“Your freedom to be you, includes my freedom to be free from you”

Unfortunately, this current generation exhibits an astonishing sense of entitlement when it comes to "respect my pronouns"/whatever/whatever
Itell you what, let's misgender you and call you by a name you don't use yourself and let;s see how long it takes before you absolutely lose your **** ...

do you usually decide that you are not going to use the names and pronouns you are introduced to someone with ... or do you just reserve that for trans folx >?

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Old 1st Oct 2022, 20:39
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Originally Posted by CaptainInsaneO
I can't wait to choose my own pro-noun....this is going to be hilarious!
you are welcome to choose your own pronouns , although given the attitudes of some of the fossils on this thread you may well find it rarely used ...



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Old 1st Oct 2022, 20:41
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Originally Posted by Gargleblaster
I've always thought it was unfair that men wanting to dress unconventionally are subject to ridicule..The ladies don't have this problem.
What I'm talking about is that e.g. a gorgeous woman in a suit and ties, well, is simply gorgeous. A woman in trousers, normal. But a man in a skirt, no way !!! Why is the term "transvestite" limited to men ?
Anyhow, I have no desire to wear a skirt myself, but insist that people (of both genders) should be allowed to wear whatever they like.
a transvestite is a paraphilic fetishist , this is different to 'cross dressing', 'cross play' in costuming or Drag and Differrent to be a transgender ( or to use the terminology ICd 11 - meetign the criteria for 'Gender Incongruence HA60 / HA 61 ) . The acceptability of female 'cross dressing' rose somewhat in the light of the roles of women in supporting the war effort in both WW1 and WW2
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Old 1st Oct 2022, 21:15
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Originally Posted by NicolaJayne
you are welcome to choose your own pronouns , although given the attitudes of some of the fossils on this thread you may well find it rarely used ...
Terribly presumptuous and ageist.
I don't give two hoots what people decide to be and dress like in their private world, but that's where it should remain, not thrust upon their colleagues and customers who most likely don't share their isms.
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Well, I myself am a Levi's 501 and Tommy Hilfiger polo shirt fetishist. I might become slightly aroused putting on tight leather garments, but only as that means I'm about to mount my motorcycle....Being such equipped, I have received inviting glances in the elevator, but mostly from people of both genders that I do not wish to become intimated with.... Guess that's all for me when it comes to fetishisms.
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do you usually decide that you are not going to use the names and pronouns you are introduced to someone with
Believe it or not, I’ve never been introduced with pronouns to anyone (including my trans colleagues), probably because it’s a peculiar and contrived form of social discourse which has only recently appeared. Also, if I’m talking to someone, I’ll refer to them either by their name or ‘you’, so the rest of the pronoun carry-on doesn’t come into it.
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Old 1st Oct 2022, 22:58
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"you are welcome to choose your own pronouns , although given the attitudes of some of the fossils on this thread you may well find it rarely used"

Sorry....are you seriously assuming what a particular perceived group on a chat forum may or may not say?
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Old 1st Oct 2022, 23:01
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Originally Posted by Confusious
Terribly presumptuous and ageist.
I don't give two hoots what people decide to be and dress like in their private world, but that's where it should remain, not thrust upon their colleagues and customers who most likely don't share their isms.
You would therefore object to any form of dress that is gender-normative? That's just people's private lives, right? If a man wants to wear trousers in his own home, that's his business- just don't do it in public as that's shoving it down your throat?
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Old 1st Oct 2022, 23:18
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You would therefore object to any form of dress that is gender-normative? That's just people's private lives, right? If a man wants to wear trousers in his own home, that's his business- just don't do it in public as that's shoving it down your throat?
and this is where the hypocrisy of the 'un woke' is demonstrated
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Old 2nd Oct 2022, 00:03
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Originally Posted by Confusious
You're totally missing the point; the floodgates have been opened for all sorts of weird attire worn by cross dressers and other such individuals who may have a strange fetish. I too would feel uncomfortable sharing the flight deck with a bearded man covered in makeup and dressed in women's clothing. I also totally agree that there would be a CRM/safety concern.
Read up on the Kegworth crash. A large part was attributed to the fact that the captain wouldn't talk to the purser because he was a gay man. Imagine that captain with a gay F/O.
If people being who they are in a way that doesn't harm you makes you uncomfortable, that's your problem to get over, and if you let it effect safety, it is you who are being unprofessional.
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Old 2nd Oct 2022, 00:24
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Branson lost a bet and paid up as promised…


Virgin boss Sir Richard Branson got dressed up as a female flight attendant after honouring a bet he lost to Air Asia chief executive Tony Fernandes.

Donning a uniform, he served passengers on an Air Asia charity flight from Perth to Kuala Lumpur.

Sir Richard and Mr Fernandes had a bet on whose teams would finish first in the 2010 Formula 1 Grand Prix in Abu Dhabi.

The plan was that the loser had to dress as a female flight attendant and serve passengers on board the winner's airline.

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Old 2nd Oct 2022, 00:30
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Yes, so he was taking the piss, and he knew it. He wasn't supporting any point of view. In fact it the loser was being "forced" to carry out an embarrassing act that he would not normally do. It's hardly something to be held up as RB being all touchy feely.
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