Skirts and heels for men included in Virgin uniform overhaul
Skirts have been worn since ages of years by men as well. Look at Greece or Scotland. They are just garments not a sexual identity statement. Why is this now considered to be such a move? Be what you want to be. I am perfectly fine to accept everybody's lifestyle and orientation. Still it can be too noisy for my taste at times. Who would want and needs to know about the sexual orientation of others except for their closest friends? Why the need to make this such a show?
That all depends on your values and point of view.
Are you aware that in the UK police have visited the houses of individuals to CAUTION them about using the wrong pronouns for other people on social media? Look it up.
Seems like a big issue to me when the police (the state) is enforcing compelled use of language.
Are you aware that in the UK police have visited the houses of individuals to CAUTION them about using the wrong pronouns for other people on social media? Look it up.
Seems like a big issue to me when the police (the state) is enforcing compelled use of language.
the eventual result of such behaviours aside from becoming completely unemployable ( G Linehan, A Bailey, M forstater) is eventually their behaviour becomes so probelmatic that it strays itno criminality which has to be acted upon, while Alex ' the voice of reason' Belfields victims were across the spectrum of gender and sexuality, there were LGB and Trans individuals he targetted ... Belfield was recently sentenced for 5 and half years in jail , despite his guilt being proven to Criminal Standards on 4of the 8 specimen charges he faced
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I am not sure if folks knew but not that long ago female cabin crew at Virgin Atlantic were not permitted to wear trousers and had to comply with the very strict make up policy. That is, bright red lipstick and I believe, red nail polish. You could argue that they knew what they were getting into and so shouldn't complain. Fortunately, times are becoming a bit more enlightened about the role of cabin crew.
British Airways, KLM, Lufthansa permit their female cabin crew to wear skirts, dresses or trousers as they seem fit.
British Airways, KLM, Lufthansa permit their female cabin crew to wear skirts, dresses or trousers as they seem fit.
I've always thought it was unfair that men wanting to dress unconventionally are subject to ridicule..The ladies don't have this problem.
What I'm talking about is that e.g. a gorgeous woman in a suit and ties, well, is simply gorgeous. A woman in trousers, normal. But a man in a skirt, no way !!! Why is the term "transvestite" limited to men ?
Anyhow, I have no desire to wear a skirt myself, but insist that people (of both genders) should be allowed to wear whatever they like.
What I'm talking about is that e.g. a gorgeous woman in a suit and ties, well, is simply gorgeous. A woman in trousers, normal. But a man in a skirt, no way !!! Why is the term "transvestite" limited to men ?
Anyhow, I have no desire to wear a skirt myself, but insist that people (of both genders) should be allowed to wear whatever they like.
do you usually decide that you are not going to use the names and pronouns you are introduced to someone with ... or do you just reserve that for trans folx >?
I've always thought it was unfair that men wanting to dress unconventionally are subject to ridicule..The ladies don't have this problem.
What I'm talking about is that e.g. a gorgeous woman in a suit and ties, well, is simply gorgeous. A woman in trousers, normal. But a man in a skirt, no way !!! Why is the term "transvestite" limited to men ?
Anyhow, I have no desire to wear a skirt myself, but insist that people (of both genders) should be allowed to wear whatever they like.
What I'm talking about is that e.g. a gorgeous woman in a suit and ties, well, is simply gorgeous. A woman in trousers, normal. But a man in a skirt, no way !!! Why is the term "transvestite" limited to men ?
Anyhow, I have no desire to wear a skirt myself, but insist that people (of both genders) should be allowed to wear whatever they like.
I don't give two hoots what people decide to be and dress like in their private world, but that's where it should remain, not thrust upon their colleagues and customers who most likely don't share their isms.
Well, I myself am a Levi's 501 and Tommy Hilfiger polo shirt fetishist. I might become slightly aroused putting on tight leather garments, but only as that means I'm about to mount my motorcycle....Being such equipped, I have received inviting glances in the elevator, but mostly from people of both genders that I do not wish to become intimated with.... Guess that's all for me when it comes to fetishisms.
do you usually decide that you are not going to use the names and pronouns you are introduced to someone with
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"you are welcome to choose your own pronouns , although given the attitudes of some of the fossils on this thread you may well find it rarely used"
Sorry....are you seriously assuming what a particular perceived group on a chat forum may or may not say?
Sorry....are you seriously assuming what a particular perceived group on a chat forum may or may not say?
You would therefore object to any form of dress that is gender-normative? That's just people's private lives, right? If a man wants to wear trousers in his own home, that's his business- just don't do it in public as that's shoving it down your throat?
and this is where the hypocrisy of the 'un woke' is demonstrated
You're totally missing the point; the floodgates have been opened for all sorts of weird attire worn by cross dressers and other such individuals who may have a strange fetish. I too would feel uncomfortable sharing the flight deck with a bearded man covered in makeup and dressed in women's clothing. I also totally agree that there would be a CRM/safety concern.
If people being who they are in a way that doesn't harm you makes you uncomfortable, that's your problem to get over, and if you let it effect safety, it is you who are being unprofessional.
Branson lost a bet and paid up as promised…
Virgin boss Sir Richard Branson got dressed up as a female flight attendant after honouring a bet he lost to Air Asia chief executive Tony Fernandes.
Donning a uniform, he served passengers on an Air Asia charity flight from Perth to Kuala Lumpur.
Sir Richard and Mr Fernandes had a bet on whose teams would finish first in the 2010 Formula 1 Grand Prix in Abu Dhabi.
The plan was that the loser had to dress as a female flight attendant and serve passengers on board the winner's airline.
Virgin boss Sir Richard Branson got dressed up as a female flight attendant after honouring a bet he lost to Air Asia chief executive Tony Fernandes.
Donning a uniform, he served passengers on an Air Asia charity flight from Perth to Kuala Lumpur.
Sir Richard and Mr Fernandes had a bet on whose teams would finish first in the 2010 Formula 1 Grand Prix in Abu Dhabi.
The plan was that the loser had to dress as a female flight attendant and serve passengers on board the winner's airline.
Yes, so he was taking the piss, and he knew it. He wasn't supporting any point of view. In fact it the loser was being "forced" to carry out an embarrassing act that he would not normally do. It's hardly something to be held up as RB being all touchy feely.