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Old 5th Sep 2022, 17:29
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Originally Posted by AerialPerspective View Post
Obviously you despise Qantas so it's hard to assign any rationale to your posts sometimes.
Which part of what Sunfish said isn't true?
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Old 5th Sep 2022, 21:25
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Originally Posted by AerialPerspective View Post
Obviously you despise Qantas so it's hard to assign any rationale to your posts sometimes.
What part do you think is incorrect? I think it’s sadly very accurate.
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Old 5th Sep 2022, 22:22
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Good job ZL. You got all the money, no-one else got a cent.
come on aerial, how about a bit of balance in YOUR statements
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I've heard Q management might be threatening a 5 year wage freeze for any staff member who watches the episode..
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aerial:
Obviously you despise Qantas so it's hard to assign any rationale to your posts sometimes.
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Try juxtaposing Qantas staff singing “I still call Australia home” and the little leprechaun talking about outsourcing and international competitiveness and you might be as annoyed as I am.

Qantas was given billions in Covid support by the former Liberal Government yet it still craps in the faces of Australian workers and provides an expensive but second rate service to the majority of its customers.

‘’You might ask me what a true “ flag carrier” would do differently.

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Old 5th Sep 2022, 23:46
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Well, if it's any consolation, I'm a kiwi and I still think Paragraph377 is a complete and utter Pratt...
But wouldn't that tosser Zeta Reticull be an even bigger pratt? He doesn't even know where the West Island is FFS. Hope he's not an actual pilot, just a wannabe.
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Old 6th Sep 2022, 02:05
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Nothing that anyone working in aviation didn't know. Anyone outside of aviation won't care.
Ditto. It’s all shock and ‘new news’ to the average punter, but to those in the industry it’s common knowledge that Qantas is the ‘toffee coated turd’. Started when Dixon inherited the reigns, and it has been escalated under the miserable Alan Joyce.
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Old 6th Sep 2022, 04:11
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Originally Posted by Zeta_Reticuli View Post
The "West Island" is sarcasm, buddy. Sounds like you haven't spent much time in Australia.
My comment was a generalisation towards paragraphs generalisation of grubby tenants. And I am a pilot, but I have also worked in two other industries filled with kiwis, as every industry in Australia is full of kiwis. Most of them are good, but there is also a common theme among them, especially the macho meathead ones. Always telling everyone how much better "back home is", well then why are you here then? Maybe people could afford to buy homes in NZ, if it were not for every second kiwi working back in Australia to pay for a home in NZ! So if you can generalise renters as grubs, I can generalise paragraph as a grub. but also paragraph, don't worry mate when you vote your beloved communist dictator Ardern in for another term, you will probably have to rent your home back off the government. At least then you will join the rest of us grubs.
You are a head-case mate. Go and seek help. And thanks for the Ardern/communist/renting off the government quip but that doesn’t apply to me. Spent my career with ANZ, retired to AUS and contributed towards Australia’s aviation economy before fully retiring here. I’m sitting very comfortable with numerous investments spread across numerous areas so I won’t be joining you on the rental roundabout mate, but you have fun with that ok. 🤣
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Old 6th Sep 2022, 04:15
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Originally Posted by Paragraph377 View Post
Ditto. It’s all shock and ‘new news’ to the average punter, but to those in the industry it’s common knowledge that Qantas is the ‘toffee coated turd’. Started when Dixon inherited the reigns, and it has been escalated under the miserable Alan Joyce.
I’ve had 4 random friends message me to ask “is this true” after watching last nights report - I think it’s made aware -what we’ve all known, to the wider general public.

And it shows, as the transport minister has just announced she is now looking into the numerous Qantas safety reports raised on the show (and any others). Wonder how many more will (anonymously) come forward to ensure safety standards aren’t reduced any further?
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Old 6th Sep 2022, 04:26
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Do you have a source? The Hon CK MP media department has failed to upload her media release.
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Old 6th Sep 2022, 04:32
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Originally Posted by TimmyTee View Post
I’ve had 4 random friends message me to ask “is this true” after watching last nights report - I think it’s made aware -what we’ve all known, to the wider general public.

And it shows, as the transport minister has just announced she is now looking into the numerous Qantas safety reports raised on the show (and any others). Wonder how many more will (anonymously) come forward to ensure safety standards aren’t reduced any further?
Will the transport minister consult with CASA’s CEO, who herself is a bureaucrat with no aviation experience, to look into safety at Qantas? Of course not, CASA’s only concerned with ensuring that its executives get 1a when flying, along and free tea and biccies in the Qantas lounge.
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Old 6th Sep 2022, 04:40
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Originally Posted by TimmyTee View Post
And it shows, as the transport minister has just announced she is now looking into the numerous Qantas safety reports raised on the show (and any others). Wonder how many more will (anonymously) come forward to ensure safety standards aren’t reduced any further?
It’s worth noting that Four Corners did not contact the Civil Aviation Safety Authority regarding any claims made in the program. CASA has since reiterated that it has confidence that Qantas is operating safely.

Official response.

The extent of “looking into” will be CASA confirming they are happy with current ops. And that will be it.
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Old 6th Sep 2022, 04:42
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Do you have a source? The Hon CK MP media department has failed to upload her media release.
"Last night’s program was raised during Labor’s caucus meeting earlier today. According to a caucus spokesman, King said the ramping up of aviation was creating many problems post-COVID lockdowns, and she was happy to look at a range of issues. “My job is to ensure aviation remains the safest in the world,” she said, according to the caucus spokesman."

https://www.smh.com.au/national/aust...%20investigate

The airline has said on its website: “We completely reject baseless and generalised safety claims from these unions, who have a history of playing the safety card to further their industrial agendas.”
Is continually stating that "Safety is our No 1 priority" in response to anything and every incident that occurs to a QANTAS aircraft, playing the 'safety card'?

Just once it would be nice to read a headline that says "Airline takes on more workers to ensure its safety record is not blemished" or "Airline pays workers more to maintain it's safety record" or even "Shareholders take a hit as safety becomes No 1 priority". Fat chance.
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Old 6th Sep 2022, 04:46
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So basically it will be “I’ll look into it”, so she’ll contact CASA, they’ll confirm that they’re happy with how current ops are going and all Safety Management Systems are working and that will be the end of that.
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Old 6th Sep 2022, 04:59
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Oh, a herald link quoting another anonymous source. Until announced CK is not really investigating anything. As mentioned earlier CASA were not contacted and CASA don’t seemed bothered.
Last nights 40minute rant didn’t really raise safety in regards to airworthiness, there was that ground worker man handling the ULD tho, hopefully he gets the training he needs to get back up to standard that’s a real safety issue there could loose a hand doing what he did. oh and that LAME pretending to forget the oil cap, I was not sure what he was really trying to demonstrate with that actually.
Shame they didn’t take AJ up on the interview either, that was a real chance for them to hammer him with the tough questions and put him on the spot.
QF have a lot of work to do to improve their image 2011 they were in the hole im sure they will get back to where they need to be.
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Old 6th Sep 2022, 05:12
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Il join the Qantas bashers! Flew around the country (4 flights) with Virgin last week. No problem. Booked one flight Gold Coast cairns with this joke of an airline called JETSTAR/QANTAS. Cancelled by text last night. Re-booked a few hours ago with Qantas from Brisbane. Get a text just then to check in online. Now the flight has disappeared, booking ref not found etc. Do the flights go up just to tease now? What an absolute shambles of an sh#t show Qantas is. Really feel for the staff.

I disagree with the comment above that nobody outside the airline industry cares what happens in Qantas. It was once one of Australia's most trusted brands, and the fact now that 4 corners does a show on just how bad it is shows the level of anger people feel because something they depend on to move around is now just a chaotic, surly, uncaring mess.
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Old 6th Sep 2022, 05:32
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It was once one of Australia's most trusted brands, and the fact now that 4 corners does a show on just how bad it is shows the level of anger people feel because something they depend on to move around is now just a chaotic, surly, uncaring mess.
So were Arnotts, Speedo and Holden. There was a certain year when the SLF were jumping on C-130's and aircraft that were foreign registered in order to get around. It was also a chaotic mess yet the SLF were not boycotting air travel. The FF program and travel contracts with business will keep the "outraged" public traveling with Qantas. What I hope is that Ita will be as outraged at QF security taking a microphone of her journalist as she was against the Government for their raid on ABC premises. I would like to see handbags at 5 paces as she takes on the QF CEO.
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Old 6th Sep 2022, 05:51
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It is not the FF flyer program and contracts that keep people trying to book with Qantas (as opposed to actually them doing the "flying")..it is the fact that it the major partner in what is in effect a duopoly for the major cities. For International, i think you will find that Qantas is already probably one of the least favored airlines to book with as there is competition. I know with myself and peers, we will fly Qantas if there are no other options, which is often the case. The point still stands though, as an airline it is now an absolute cluster. I think the comparing the national airline with Speedos, biscuits or Ansett is a bit far fetched,
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lFor International, i think you will find that Qantas is already probably one of the least favored airlines to book with as there is competition. L
Yet international flights are full and they want to get all the 380’s back ASAP to cater for increased demand, for a company that’s supposed hated and booked as a last resort the load factors tell a different story.
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Old 6th Sep 2022, 06:14
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Dr Dre, just stop. We both work there, we both know that its a shit show. Load factors reflect supply and demand. Look how few options there are to return JQ's stranded passengers for example. There simply aren’t enough seats right now, and when there are we will be the carrier of last resort.

I am skilled at making happy horseshit announcements to the passengers but somehow I think its going to take more than that to make the punters happy.
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