Network Aviation Revolving Door

[aseriesofleftturns]

Originally Posted by MajorLemond

Considering the trajectory of the group and recent agreements getting voted up, chances of NAA getting an even remotely better deal at the next EA "negotiation" are laughable. While lifestyle wise it's a great gig (currently) - as more planes get added and flying increases everyone is going to feel the pain of a sub - standard agreement. 😕

Great gig with lifestyle? You still talking about Network? Haha. Don't know anyone that's not getting hammered, 5-6 day weeks, day stays, doubles etc. While you've got FO's agreeing to work days off for $160 odd bucks, what hope is there 😂

[davidclarke]

Originally Posted by aseriesofleftturns

Great gig with lifestyle? You still talking about Network? Haha. Don't know anyone that's not getting hammered, 5-6 day weeks, day stays, doubles etc. While you've got FO's agreeing to work days off for $160 odd bucks, what hope is there 😂

May I ask what a ‘day stay’ is?

[aussieflyboy]

Originally Posted by davidclarke

May I ask what a ‘day stay’ is?

Are you a Cadet or Instructor by any chance?

[Icarus2001]

May I ask what a ‘day stay’ is?

I assume (foolishly) that aseriesofleftturns is referring to the practise of flying to a mine site, being provided a "donga" for the day and then flying home much later. Sometimes with the added bonus of mining camp food and a play in the gym or swim in the pool.

[davidclarke]

Originally Posted by Icarus2001

I assume (foolishly) that aseriesofleftturns is referring to the practise of flying to a mine site, being provided a "donga" for the day and then flying home much later. Sometimes with the added bonus of mining camp food and a play in the gym or swim in the pool.

Ahh gotya. When I was in NT doing GA they were called a ‘day wait’. My bad. Same thing I guess. Just didn’t expect it in an airline.

[twentyelevens]

Originally Posted by davidclarke

Just didn’t expect it in an airline.

In Australia, all aviation is GA. Some GA operators just have jets.

[Australopithecus]

Originally Posted by twentyelevens

In Australia, all aviation is GA. Some GA operators just have jets.

i wish that I had said that.

[Karunch]

Originally Posted by Icarus2001

I believe these two observations apply to quite a few Australian companies right now. I have never heard of so many pilots looking at the USA or thinking of jumping ship from what was a steady job,
Perhaps the events of the last two and a half years has affected how people view loyalty to a company. I don’t know but I do sense a change in attitude amongst pilots I thought were planning on staying where they are,

Its termed career mobility & it seems Australian pilots have finally caught on. Most other professions have known of this for a generation.

Perhaps airline management will come to realise that looking after their sought after professionals is the cheaper option.

[walesregent]

Originally Posted by Icarus2001

I assume (foolishly) that aseriesofleftturns is referring to the practise of flying to a mine site, being provided a "donga" for the day and then flying home much later. Sometimes with the added bonus of mining camp food and a play in the gym or swim in the pool.

Often associated with an URTI.

[walesregent]

Originally Posted by MajorLemond

Considering the trajectory of the group and recent agreements getting voted up, chances of NAA getting an even remotely better deal at the next EA "negotiation" are laughable. While lifestyle wise it's a great gig (currently) - as more planes get added and flying increases everyone is going to feel the pain of a sub - standard agreement. 😕

We’ll see. NAA isn’t in the same boat as NJS. The operation can’t seamlessly be taken up by a different AOC and pay and conditions may in fact be worse than the award (if we elect to revert to that the company might find crewing all the early mornings and ‘all dayers’ a bit challenging).

There’s obviously a lot of blood in the water, and the spin machine is running out of alternative facts (I’ve never seen the media turn on qantas like this before) so individuals might collectively come to the realisation better pay and conditions are obtainable. I could be wrong, and the NAA pilot group could fudge it up completely, but I hope they realise that these are not the same set of negotiating conditions from even two months ago. Fingers crossed that the engineers really shank them and restore confidence amongst other employee groups to go up against the cancer that is current qantas management.

[172heavy]

Originally Posted by davidclarke

Ahh gotya. When I was in NT doing GA they were called a ‘day wait’. My bad. Same thing I guess. Just didn’t expect it in an airline.

Unplanned day waits are the best (wheels up landing)

[josephfeatherweight]

Often associated with an URTI.

Only if you're lucky...

[Chronic Snoozer]

Originally Posted by walesregent

Often associated with an URTI.

So FIFO? (fine in, f*$ked out)

[walesregent]

Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer

So FIFO? (fine in, f*$ked out)

So true 😂. Usually the crew become symptomatic before sign on so the duty becomes a turn around for their replacements. If the client was really bothered by this they would insist on some sort of incentive for the operating crew.

[chickenman]

Oh, I’m confused. I had heard that at Network FIFO stood for Fit in or F Off?

[ShandywithSugar]

The operation can’t seamlessly be taken up by a different AOC

Like back to the B737 from where the majority of Networks work is from?.

[walesregent]

Originally Posted by ShandywithSugar

Like back to the B737 from where the majority of Networks work is from?.

Maybe, but do you reckon they have the capacity for that at the moment (or anytime soon)?

[MajorLemond]

Originally Posted by walesregent

We’ll see. NAA isn’t in the same boat as NJS. The operation can’t seamlessly be taken up by a different AOC and pay and conditions may in fact be worse than the award (if we elect to revert to that the company might find crewing all the early mornings and ‘all dayers’ a bit challenging).

There’s obviously a lot of blood in the water, and the spin machine is running out of alternative facts (I’ve never seen the media turn on qantas like this before) so individuals might collectively come to the realisation better pay and conditions are obtainable. I could be wrong, and the NAA pilot group could fudge it up completely, but I hope they realise that these are not the same set of negotiating conditions from even two months ago. Fingers crossed that the engineers really shank them and restore confidence amongst other employee groups to go up against the cancer that is current qantas management.

You make some solid points, but unfortunately I don't have a lot of hope due to the fact that group management will go to the ends of the earth rather than offer a better deal to anyone. They will not set a precedent and make other groups think they can get a better deal.

I'd say JQ are in the best position to put their feet down because it's an operation that makes a huge amount of money for the group and there is nowhere to farm the flying out to. What will help is the fact they are worked to the absolute bone (and have been for many years) and this should produce a solid amount of unity amongst our pilot brethren, so the gloves are going to come off (on both sides) in an industrial dispute.

It will get very interesting for sure.

[FN4567]

[QUOTE=ShandywithSugar;11260099]Like back to the B737 from where the majority of Networks work is from?.[/QUOTE

[FN4567]

Originally Posted by aseriesofleftturns

You'll never see Pilots strike or take any kind of industrial action. Too spineless and content with no protections, working days off for pittance.

No they just sit in here and act as keyboard warriors