Network Aviation Revolving Door
4 day trips, hotels, wife stressing over kids on the end of the phone with no support. Good night to the kids over skype.
The cost of earning the shekels may be higher than you think.
If money is the yardstick of success in life then there are some sick puppies in the industry. A return flight to the Pilbara and home by lunch time in cavok conditions has value for some.
4 day trips, hotels, wife stressing over kids on the end of the phone with no support. Good night to the kids over skype.
The cost of earning the shekels may be higher than you think.
4 day trips, hotels, wife stressing over kids on the end of the phone with no support. Good night to the kids over skype.
The cost of earning the shekels may be higher than you think.
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Perhaps pilots should embrace opportunity as others have done in 1989/2001 and broaden their horizons. The big bold world is waiting! Don’t prostitute yourselves working for overpaid executives that only want to reduce conditions. This is applicable for Mainline as much as NAA. Mainline conditions not that good on a world level
If money is the yardstick of success in life then there are some sick puppies in the industry. A return flight to the Pilbara and home by lunch time in cavok conditions has value for some.
4 day trips, hotels, wife stressing over kids on the end of the phone with no support. Good night to the kids over skype.
The cost of earning the shekels may be higher than you think.
4 day trips, hotels, wife stressing over kids on the end of the phone with no support. Good night to the kids over skype.
The cost of earning the shekels may be higher than you think.
They do. They're home by noon as well if they want pilbara trips. The difference is they'll make double what a network pilot earns for the day and won't be expected to sleep on the airplane when they break down in Newman or wherever it was two years ago when accommodation was tight and network didn't send a rescue plane. Is it true the ARO felt sorry for them and offered his couch at home?
Just go drive a bus for trans perth
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You think the 737 guys don't do this?
They do. They're home by noon as well if they want pilbara trips. The difference is they'll make double what a network pilot earns for the day and won't be expected to sleep on the airplane when they break down in Newman or wherever it was two years ago when accommodation was tight and network didn't send a rescue plane. Is it true the ARO felt sorry for them and offered his couch at home?
Just go drive a bus for trans perth
They do. They're home by noon as well if they want pilbara trips. The difference is they'll make double what a network pilot earns for the day and won't be expected to sleep on the airplane when they break down in Newman or wherever it was two years ago when accommodation was tight and network didn't send a rescue plane. Is it true the ARO felt sorry for them and offered his couch at home?
Just go drive a bus for trans perth
youre delusional 1013. I’ve got mates in all Oz airlines and have been looking at retirement options for a while now. B737 guys don’t earn double. You are a stereo typical QF knobbier that we laugh at. Keep pushing that cart and enjoying your SYD, MEL and BNE slips. Oh, that’s right, you stay at some mining site and get “ the big bucks”
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youre delusional 1013. I’ve got mates in all Oz airlines and have been looking at retirement options for a while now. B737 guys don’t earn double. You are a stereo typical QF knobbier that we laugh at. Keep pushing that cart and enjoying your SYD, MEL and BNE slips. Oh, that’s right, you stay at some mining site and get “ the big bucks”
If the quoted numbers about NAA A320 captains salary are on this thread are true, I can assure you, total bucks, it's pretty damn close to double.
The rest of your post I don't understand. Most of the PER 737 flying is Pilbara day returns.
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Wow. What an interesting dude. So much for showing support blah blah blah mentioned earlier. I guess from a NAA point of view, that's an expectation only one way.
If the quoted numbers about NAA A320 captains salary are on this thread are true, I can assure you, total bucks, it's pretty damn close to double.
The rest of your post I don't understand. Most of the PER 737 flying is Pilbara day returns.
If the quoted numbers about NAA A320 captains salary are on this thread are true, I can assure you, total bucks, it's pretty damn close to double.
The rest of your post I don't understand. Most of the PER 737 flying is Pilbara day returns.
Last NAA FO 1st year rate - $107,750. This is with additional hours being paid at $74 per hour above 65. At 75 hours average per BP that's $117,370.
Last SH FO 1st year rate - $145,240. This is at 53hrs per BP but rosters usually come out at 65-71 hours. This is $178,120 at 65 hrs. Additional hours above 53 are paid at more than double the NAA rate. At 75 hours average per BP that's $205,528.
SH FO is 35% higher than NAA FO at 53hrs, 65% higher at 65hrs, 75% higher at 75 hrs, and 85% higher at 85hrs. So SH FO's are not paid precisely "double" NAA, but are paid a substantial amount above NAA FOs that climbs with hours flown. NAA has a D/O payment while SH doesn't, but SH has a bonus payment tied to management payment which can provide close to 10% on top of those wages per year.
until the B737 is retired, then I assume you guys will be pushing mini buses around the eastcoast on regional wages. Btw, the EA base salaries are available for all to see. Please explain how it’s double. Perhaps I’m missing something.
Anyway, mainline not an option for returning expats.
Hence why many ex-pats end up in NAA and elsewhere.
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Honestly, a bit of a nothing burger discussion anyway...
Sure, everyone would like to play for the Wallabies but if they don't get selected they have less of a choice - play for the Western Force or go somewhere else. Serves zero purpose when the Wallaby players berate them for their lower salaries at the Western Force...maybe a bit of 'Look at Me' mentality at play
When experienced pilots (wide and narrowbody) are continuously overlooked in favour of REX pilots, then what else do you suggest they do - drive for Trans Perth rather than practise their (once) respected profession...asking for a friend.
With Winton delivered and pay freezes below CPI now the norm, how long do you realistically think QF has the edge.
The 321 is a bigger plane and you have delivered it for zero cost increase. You won’t be able to ‘compare’ rates in the very near future. Years ago you would have never compared the 737 to the 767, now you have effectively made it the same from a salary viewpoint.
Pay gaps are closing and chest beating about how much better paid you are is the arrogance executives seek.
Boiling a frog comes to mind..
The 321 is a bigger plane and you have delivered it for zero cost increase. You won’t be able to ‘compare’ rates in the very near future. Years ago you would have never compared the 737 to the 767, now you have effectively made it the same from a salary viewpoint.
Pay gaps are closing and chest beating about how much better paid you are is the arrogance executives seek.
Boiling a frog comes to mind..
With Winton delivered and pay freezes below CPI now the norm, how long do you realistically think QF has the edge.
The 321 is a bigger plane and you have delivered it for zero cost increase. You won’t be able to ‘compare’ rates in the very near future. Years ago you would have never compared the 737 to the 767, now you have effectively made it the same from a salary viewpoint.
Pay gaps are closing and chest beating about how much better paid you are is the arrogance executives seek.
Boiling a frog comes to mind..
The 321 is a bigger plane and you have delivered it for zero cost increase. You won’t be able to ‘compare’ rates in the very near future. Years ago you would have never compared the 737 to the 767, now you have effectively made it the same from a salary viewpoint.
Pay gaps are closing and chest beating about how much better paid you are is the arrogance executives seek.
Boiling a frog comes to mind..
The 767 pay rates are no longer in the Long Haul Agreement, but all Long Haul aircraft have retained the same relative pay differences, so it is easy to work out what the applicable 767 hourly rate would be.
737 hourly rate Captain - $342.22
767 hourly rate Captain - $298.63
The two agreements are different in how hours are calculated (different min guarantee, minimum daily credit and night credits long haul), but I think you will get paid at least as much, if not more flying the A321 on the Short Haul Agreement than you would doing same sectors on the 767 on the Long Haul Agreement.
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We were comparing SH FO to NAA Capt before, but comparing rank v rank:
Last NAA FO 1st year rate - $107,750. This is with additional hours being paid at $74 per hour above 65. At 75 hours average per BP that's $117,370.
Last SH FO 1st year rate - $145,240. This is at 53hrs per BP but rosters usually come out at 65-71 hours. This is $178,120 at 65 hrs. Additional hours above 53 are paid at more than double the NAA rate. At 75 hours average per BP that's $205,528.
SH FO is 35% higher than NAA FO at 53hrs, 65% higher at 65hrs, 75% higher at 75 hrs, and 85% higher at 85hrs. So SH FO's are not paid precisely "double" NAA, but are paid a substantial amount above NAA FOs that climbs with hours flown. NAA has a D/O payment while SH doesn't, but SH has a bonus payment tied to management payment which can provide close to 10% on top of those wages per year.
Eh? 737 pilots will have first priority to transfer over to the 321XLR on the same rates. The pilots who remain on the 737 (the youngest half of the fleet will fly to 2034) will be paid under the current SH rates, not "regional wages".
Actually plenty of returning expats have joined mainline over the last 6 years and plenty have applied/are in the process of being recruited currently.
Last NAA FO 1st year rate - $107,750. This is with additional hours being paid at $74 per hour above 65. At 75 hours average per BP that's $117,370.
Last SH FO 1st year rate - $145,240. This is at 53hrs per BP but rosters usually come out at 65-71 hours. This is $178,120 at 65 hrs. Additional hours above 53 are paid at more than double the NAA rate. At 75 hours average per BP that's $205,528.
SH FO is 35% higher than NAA FO at 53hrs, 65% higher at 65hrs, 75% higher at 75 hrs, and 85% higher at 85hrs. So SH FO's are not paid precisely "double" NAA, but are paid a substantial amount above NAA FOs that climbs with hours flown. NAA has a D/O payment while SH doesn't, but SH has a bonus payment tied to management payment which can provide close to 10% on top of those wages per year.
Eh? 737 pilots will have first priority to transfer over to the 321XLR on the same rates. The pilots who remain on the 737 (the youngest half of the fleet will fly to 2034) will be paid under the current SH rates, not "regional wages".
Actually plenty of returning expats have joined mainline over the last 6 years and plenty have applied/are in the process of being recruited currently.
Why would anyone want to work for such a toxic bunch? That’s Aussie aviation I guess, the best of the best ha ha.
So back on topic with the revolving door and management please? Or should we keep opening our wallets and comparing how much we have…..
So back on topic with the revolving door and management please? Or should we keep opening our wallets and comparing how much we have…..
One would need to be paid hideous amounts of money to be seen in that uniform. Walking around a terminal dressed like popeye the sailor demands compensation of the highest order.
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