Network Aviation Revolving Door
Well they grounded the fleet of 767s.
I agree. Sad, but true. We can only blame ourselves for it. I expect JH at Virgin was VERY WELL briefed how compliant the unions and pilot group would be and she offered an appropriate pay cut for Flight Crew.
Unfortunately seems like NJS are about to take a significant hit.
Out of curiosity, what do the NAA union reps/pilot council actually do? They've been very quiet over the course and their current EBA seemingly reflects that.
Perhaps, but QF are taking a huge hit right now due to lack of crew. Sectors cancelled left, right and centre and pilots being begged to turn up on days off at great expense to the establishment. My union has suggested the pilots hold their ground and now is the time to do so. Qantas can’t keep telling themselves and their shareholders that everything is fine because it is far from it and if this week is anything to go by, many NJS pilots won’t care who flies the new aircraft because they will have had their Atlas (etc) application fast tracked. NAA will also continue to be the revolving door until management is removed and replaced with something more akin to leadership.
However here is the conundrum: If you were the FOI responsible would you want to become "famous" by taking a stand and upsetting QF? Or just business as usual collect your salary and 15.4% super?
You also have the issue that if you did take a stand it may get overruled from those above you anyway who may or may not be in the Chairman's Lounge or have other aspirations. So that is why nothing is going to happen on this front. Even if they bury an aeroplane the ATSB can't blame CASA.
You also have the issue that if you did take a stand it may get overruled from those above you anyway who may or may not be in the Chairman's Lounge or have other aspirations. So that is why nothing is going to happen on this front. Even if they bury an aeroplane the ATSB can't blame CASA.
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CP MIA
Business update to introduce a big wig from VARA joining NAA in a middle management role but still no sign of the GMFO. Some big personalities and egos swimming in the fish bowl. Get your tickets, it’s going to be an interesting show. I do feel for the crew doing the daily slog with no real leadership or support.
Business update to introduce a big wig from VARA joining NAA in a middle management role but still no sign of the GMFO. Some big personalities and egos swimming in the fish bowl. Get your tickets, it’s going to be an interesting show. I do feel for the crew doing the daily slog with no real leadership or support.
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Pilot union…..what’s that! Union reps are too busy feathering their own nest rather than securing a solid foundation for the future growth. PIA, how dare you! The reps starfish’ just puckered. Oh, it’s ok now, they all got their promotions.
Perhaps the most accurate sentiment I've come across on here.
You are wrong. Current management has actively sought to ignore existing pilot agreements. ‘Rip up the protocol’ I heard one of them say once. ‘Protocol princesses’ another. Not to mention FIFO. Just because we weren’t stood down ‘current’ management looks down their noses at us because we are ‘lucky to have a job’. I’m sick of it.
I feel incredibly lucky to have avoided the worst of covid, and expected worse than I got. I don’t deserve the last two years of pay more than anyone else but I did the work…
Don’t take pot shots at your colleagues for god sake you twits! The reason we are here now is because our management is filled with peeps who can’t understand how we aren’t kissing their butts every day just to be employed! As a previous post said, nothing will improve until they go.
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So let me get this right friend, you believe our current mess is a result of your colleagues who as you say are feathering their nests, as opposed to blaming the current group of ‘middle managers’?
You are delusional, blind in fact. Current management has actively sought to ignore existing pilot agreements. ‘Rip up the protocol’ I heard one of them say once. ‘Protocol princesses’ another. Not to mention FIFO. Just because we weren’t stood down ‘current’ management looks down their arrogant noses at us because we are ‘lucky to have a job’. I’m sick of it.
I feel incredibly lucky to have avoided the worst of covid, and expected worse than I got. I don’t deserve the last two years of pay more than anyone else but I did the work…
Don’t take pot shots at your colleagues for god sake you twits! The reason we are here now is because our management is filled with peeps who can’t understand how we aren’t kissing their butts every day just to be employed! As a previous post said, nothing will improve until they go.
You are delusional, blind in fact. Current management has actively sought to ignore existing pilot agreements. ‘Rip up the protocol’ I heard one of them say once. ‘Protocol princesses’ another. Not to mention FIFO. Just because we weren’t stood down ‘current’ management looks down their arrogant noses at us because we are ‘lucky to have a job’. I’m sick of it.
I feel incredibly lucky to have avoided the worst of covid, and expected worse than I got. I don’t deserve the last two years of pay more than anyone else but I did the work…
Don’t take pot shots at your colleagues for god sake you twits! The reason we are here now is because our management is filled with peeps who can’t understand how we aren’t kissing their butts every day just to be employed! As a previous post said, nothing will improve until they go.
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So let me get this right friend, you believe our current mess is a result of your colleagues who as you say are feathering their nests, as opposed to blaming the current group of ‘middle managers’?
You are delusional, blind in fact. Current management has actively sought to ignore existing pilot agreements. ‘Rip up the protocol’ I heard one of them say once. ‘Protocol princesses’ another. Not to mention FIFO. Just because we weren’t stood down ‘current’ management looks down their arrogant noses at us because we are ‘lucky to have a job’. I’m sick of it.
I feel incredibly lucky to have avoided the worst of covid, and expected worse than I got. I don’t deserve the last two years of pay more than anyone else but I did the work…
Don’t take pot shots at your colleagues for god sake you twits! The reason we are here now is because our management is filled with peeps who can’t understand how we aren’t kissing their butts every day just to be employed! As a previous post said, nothing will improve until they go.
You are delusional, blind in fact. Current management has actively sought to ignore existing pilot agreements. ‘Rip up the protocol’ I heard one of them say once. ‘Protocol princesses’ another. Not to mention FIFO. Just because we weren’t stood down ‘current’ management looks down their arrogant noses at us because we are ‘lucky to have a job’. I’m sick of it.
I feel incredibly lucky to have avoided the worst of covid, and expected worse than I got. I don’t deserve the last two years of pay more than anyone else but I did the work…
Don’t take pot shots at your colleagues for god sake you twits! The reason we are here now is because our management is filled with peeps who can’t understand how we aren’t kissing their butts every day just to be employed! As a previous post said, nothing will improve until they go.
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Gee some real brave types in here at the moment. Brave enough to hide behind the blanket of anonymity afforded by this website and slag off individuals actually trying to make a positive contribution, with baseless slander.
I'll bet you're the type that gob off and beat your chests in the flight deck or in the crew room but turn to water (puckered starfish and all) if confronted personally. Have you tried to make a contribution yourselves or do you prefer to stand anonymously on the sidelines and take the easy option?
What "monthly dues" are you asserting that these individuals receive? What do you Know of the path to PIA that must be followed prior to being granted by FW to take PIA? I'd suggest not much, as it takes more than
. But of course you know all of this which is why you are actively involved in trying to help out right?
I'll bet you're the type that gob off and beat your chests in the flight deck or in the crew room but turn to water (puckered starfish and all) if confronted personally. Have you tried to make a contribution yourselves or do you prefer to stand anonymously on the sidelines and take the easy option?
What "monthly dues" are you asserting that these individuals receive? What do you Know of the path to PIA that must be followed prior to being granted by FW to take PIA? I'd suggest not much, as it takes more than
PIA was mentioned and supported by my post
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Gee some real brave types in here at the moment. Brave enough to hide behind the blanket of anonymity afforded by this website and slag off individuals actually trying to make a positive contribution, with baseless slander.
I'll bet you're the type that gob off and beat your chests in the flight deck or in the crew room but turn to water (puckered starfish and all) if confronted personally. Have you tried to make a contribution yourselves or do you prefer to stand anonymously on the sidelines and take the easy option?
What "monthly dues" are you asserting that these individuals receive? What do you Know of the path to PIA that must be followed prior to being granted by FW to take PIA? I'd suggest not much, as it takes more than . But of course you know all of this which is why you are actively involved in trying to help out right?
I'll bet you're the type that gob off and beat your chests in the flight deck or in the crew room but turn to water (puckered starfish and all) if confronted personally. Have you tried to make a contribution yourselves or do you prefer to stand anonymously on the sidelines and take the easy option?
What "monthly dues" are you asserting that these individuals receive? What do you Know of the path to PIA that must be followed prior to being granted by FW to take PIA? I'd suggest not much, as it takes more than . But of course you know all of this which is why you are actively involved in trying to help out right?
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Slander
Direct dictionary quote, do you own one?
Your cerebral contribution
annnd
. Assertions made by you without proof or reason, made only in an ugly (but rather week) attempt to slander the reps.
Just as a heads-up (I'm sure you're already aware of it as you're clearly such a well informed individual), today, and despite their unions best advice to vote NO, the NJS pilot body voted YES to their proposed EBA. So when they start to complain that they have no life and that their roster stability simply does not exist, who is to blame? The Union and its reps who urged a NO vote, or the pilot body? Same for NAA over four years ago - oh well, must be the union reps fault eh? At least the reps where able to negotiate some kind of rostering stability protocols from a baseline of nothing (buy you'd know that as well right?)
Perhaps you could give us some examples of your positive contribution to the pilot's terms and conditions in your part of the world. As for playing "Where's Wally", judging by your location I would say he is clearly located under a rock in Hong Kong, actively "looking" but contributing nothing.
the action or crime of making a false spoken statement damaging to a person's reputation.
Your cerebral contribution
Union reps are too busy feathering their own nest rather than securing a solid foundation for the future growth.
Oh, it’s ok now, they all got their promotions.
Just as a heads-up (I'm sure you're already aware of it as you're clearly such a well informed individual), today, and despite their unions best advice to vote NO, the NJS pilot body voted YES to their proposed EBA. So when they start to complain that they have no life and that their roster stability simply does not exist, who is to blame? The Union and its reps who urged a NO vote, or the pilot body? Same for NAA over four years ago - oh well, must be the union reps fault eh? At least the reps where able to negotiate some kind of rostering stability protocols from a baseline of nothing (buy you'd know that as well right?)
Perhaps you could give us some examples of your positive contribution to the pilot's terms and conditions in your part of the world. As for playing "Where's Wally", judging by your location I would say he is clearly located under a rock in Hong Kong, actively "looking" but contributing nothing.
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Slander Direct dictionary quote, do you own one?
Your cerebral contribution annnd . Assertions made by you without proof or reason, made only in an ugly (but rather week) attempt to slander the reps.
Just as a heads-up (I'm sure you're already aware of it as you're clearly such a well informed individual), today, and despite their unions best advice to vote NO, the NJS pilot body voted YES to their proposed EBA. So when they start to complain that they have no life and that their roster stability simply does not exist, who is to blame? The Union and its reps who urged a NO vote, or the pilot body? Same for NAA over four years ago - oh well, must be the union reps fault eh? At least the reps where able to negotiate some kind of rostering stability protocols from a baseline of nothing (buy you'd know that as well right?)
Perhaps you could give us some examples of your positive contribution to the pilot's terms and conditions in your part of the world. As for playing "Where's Wally", judging by your location I would say he is clearly located under a rock in Hong Kong, actively "looking" but contributing nothing.
Your cerebral contribution annnd . Assertions made by you without proof or reason, made only in an ugly (but rather week) attempt to slander the reps.
Just as a heads-up (I'm sure you're already aware of it as you're clearly such a well informed individual), today, and despite their unions best advice to vote NO, the NJS pilot body voted YES to their proposed EBA. So when they start to complain that they have no life and that their roster stability simply does not exist, who is to blame? The Union and its reps who urged a NO vote, or the pilot body? Same for NAA over four years ago - oh well, must be the union reps fault eh? At least the reps where able to negotiate some kind of rostering stability protocols from a baseline of nothing (buy you'd know that as well right?)
Perhaps you could give us some examples of your positive contribution to the pilot's terms and conditions in your part of the world. As for playing "Where's Wally", judging by your location I would say he is clearly located under a rock in Hong Kong, actively "looking" but contributing nothing.