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Qantas to lay out roadmap for restart of international flights

Old 4th Oct 2021, 19:43
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Originally Posted by mostlytossas View Post
I hate to put a dampener on your expectations but... I am your typical retiree cashed up with plenty in super who before covid enjoyed travel abroad including taking cruises as did 3 mates of mine also retirees. We have lunches together now every couple of months. This subject came up only the other week when all of us said there is [*no way*] we would book an overseas holiday or cruise until we were guaranteed 100% money back if the trip was cancelled due covid. Vouchers are no good. There are too many restrictions with them as to when you can go and locks you into one airline/ cruise company. Cash speaks loudest, and gives you options.
Secondly long quarantine periods at either end of the trip has to go. Just a waste of a holiday if you have to be locked away even for a week. Thirdly masks have to go. To have to suffer wearing one for around 30 odd hours to Europe for example which is what it is once you add in the time at airports each end and in transit if required is just too long. ...... That is not a holiday, it is a punishment.
I don't think we are alone in our views as I suspect the majority of tourist feel the same ...... Sorry if the above is not what you wanted to hear but that is the truth of it.
Faaaarkin whinging caaarnt...... Finally we might/maybe get staff travel seats that are not economy...
Just fork off to your little island with yacht/mansion and/or hobbit village you've been living on for 70 years .... For FFSakes !!!

Both of youse such trolls , eat yr own decks

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Old 4th Oct 2021, 20:10
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I fully agree with " mostlytossas" in his summation but not the remarks from Viagra which are very childish and totally unnecessary!!
The only people who will put up with the severe restrictions will be Business and desperate family travelers.
There's no way in the world I will travel overseas until things are relaxed a great deal more and we learn to live with Covid. It's going to be around for a very long time so we have to adapt our lives and accept it.
Most of the posts in this thread would appear to come from people who are so desperately in need of working again on International Flights and nobody can blame them for that.
Let's all hope things start to work their way back to a sort of normalcy soon and not only in the Aviation sector.
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Old 5th Oct 2021, 05:41
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Originally Posted by Bad Adventures View Post
The 7 day home quarantine won’t even last a month. I believe QF have already been advised that it will go in December and are scheduling flights accordingly.
Has there been anything further on this?
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Old 5th Oct 2021, 10:47
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Originally Posted by mostlytossas View Post
To have to suffer wearing one for around 30 odd hours to Europe for example which is what it is once you add in the time at airports each end and in transit if required is just too long.
Bro, a lot of people have managed to get by wearing a mask for at least 8 hours a day in Victoria & NSW for months on end. Those same people will tolerate 30 to get a change of scenery.

People want to fly domestically and internationally, it will bounce back quickly despite the nay-sayers.
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Old 6th Oct 2021, 06:48
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There's no way in the world I will travel overseas until things are relaxed a great deal more and we learn to live with Covid. It's going to be around for a very long time so we have to adapt our lives and accept it..
Funny most of the rest of the western world has already learned to live with it. Middle East, Europe, North America from what I have seen first hand. All opening up. My inbox is getting hit regularly with OEM invitations to face to face conferences, trade shows etc. for early 2022. Asia still has a way to go.
Besides mask wearing, and some limitations on taxi numbers in some places (the new normal) you wouldn't know there was a pandemic on in many parts of the world over the last few months. Now is a perfect time to travel! Get the jab, and go. And if wearing a mask is too much for you on an aircraft go an buy a bag of cement.
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Old 6th Oct 2021, 12:12
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The minute, no make that the second travel is allowed from anywhere off prison island flights will be full, yes subject to being allowed back into the prison island of course.

There are plenty of I’ll never fly QF again in the general population until… oooohhhh look QF to Hawaii, ohhhhhhh London for Christmas, ahhhhhh a Singapore weekend (ok this ones unlikely), etcetera… The I won’t fly until Covid is gone brigade, yeah nah you will fly. I won’t fly if I have to wear a mask, yeah nah.

The world is opening, some places faster than others. Look at the thread on Aussie pilots in the USA, look at flight radar in the USA and Europe. Yes it is going to be a long time before we are back to what we think is normal, in the meantime life is to be lived.
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Old 8th Oct 2021, 10:35
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LHR flights out of Melbourne and Sydney to go via Darwin until April.

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Old 9th Oct 2021, 01:44
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Originally Posted by Global Aviator View Post
The minute, no make that the second travel is allowed from anywhere off prison island flights will be full, yes subject to being allowed back into the prison island of course.

There are plenty of I’ll never fly QF again in the general population until… oooohhhh look QF to Hawaii, ohhhhhhh London for Christmas, ahhhhhh a Singapore weekend (ok this ones unlikely), etcetera… The I won’t fly until Covid is gone brigade, yeah nah you will fly. I won’t fly if I have to wear a mask, yeah nah.

The world is opening, some places faster than others. Look at the thread on Aussie pilots in the USA, look at flight radar in the USA and Europe. Yes it is going to be a long time before we are back to what we think is normal, in the meantime life is to be lived.
Unless they do something about quarantine for crew, life as an international crew member is going to be pretty crap for some time yet. 7 days home quarantine will mean crew exist pretty much permanently in quarantine. Even if it got down to 3 days, it’s still a huge burden every time you do a trip. What if you test positive overseas, are crew exempt from inbound test?
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Old 9th Oct 2021, 02:42
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"The Darwin hub arrangement will be in place in time for borders reopening from 14 November 2021 until at least April 2022 when London flights are scheduled to operate via Perth again," the airline confirmed in a statement issued this evening."While this is a temporary change to the route, Qantas will watch how it performs and is open-minded about what it could lead to down the track."
I'd almost give up my firstborn for QF to keep this going permanently and shove it in McGowans face. When you pray for rain, you gotta deal with the mud too, and this is solely a result of his inflexible border policy. Nothing more.

The NT Government could really do well out of this if they play their cards right IMHO, there's more touristy things to do in the Territory than in or around Perth and they could get some significant benefits of it in the long term.
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Old 9th Oct 2021, 02:47
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Originally Posted by Green.Dot View Post
People want to fly domestically and internationally, it will bounce back quickly despite the nay-sayers.
I highly doubt that with even 7 days quarantine on return from overseas and a PM who just days ago made it clear they would shut international borders at short notice if a variant of concern or resurgence occurs. We are going into winter for much of the world and with the Pfizer CEO a couple months back saying a vaccine resistant variant is all but a given me thinks it could potentially be a short lived freedom.

Don't like the chance of seeing much going on til those things are out of the equation.

Domestically hopefully things picks up but I'd expect a similar deal, too many people have been burnt by border closures at short notice. But really, who the hell knows anymore...
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Old 9th Oct 2021, 02:50
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Originally Posted by Potsie Weber View Post
Unless they do something about quarantine for crew, life as an international crew member is going to be pretty crap for some time yet. 7 days home quarantine will mean crew exist pretty much permanently in quarantine. Even if it got down to 3 days, it’s still a huge burden every time you do a trip. What if you test positive overseas, are crew exempt from inbound test?
Yep very well said, as we know it’s a dynamic situation with many countries requiring different levels of stupid. Being international crew in the chief stupid countries makes life very hard. It must be a weird feeling down route as your heading to the hotel for in room quarantine while crew from xyz head to the room then out for dinner.

It simply must get better over time, the sooner the better. Jo public has no idea really of the sacrifices pilots are living, maybe people in the tourism field realise but general Jo no idea.

I have many mates that have done multiple 14 days, be it in a hotel, home or a mix, absolute respect. Yes they still have a job but the mental toll must be excruciating.

Lets just hope with QF pushing hard that the Aus gov follow suit and allow life to get back to a semblance of normal. I can’t see how anyone could begrudge QF for trying.


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Old 9th Oct 2021, 03:34
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Originally Posted by Global Aviator View Post
Yep very well said, as we know it’s a dynamic situation with many countries requiring different levels of stupid. Being international crew in the chief stupid countries makes life very hard. It must be a weird feeling down route as your heading to the hotel for in room quarantine while crew from xyz head to the room then out for dinner.

It simply must get better over time, the sooner the better. Jo public has no idea really of the sacrifices pilots are living, maybe people in the tourism field realise but general Jo no idea.

I have many mates that have done multiple 14 days, be it in a hotel, home or a mix, absolute respect. Yes they still have a job but the mental toll must be excruciating.

Lets just hope with QF pushing hard that the Aus gov follow suit and allow life to get back to a semblance of normal. I can’t see how anyone could begrudge QF for trying.
The other issue that has not been addressed are close contacts. With international flights resuming a much more normal cabin service than the strict protocols of the current repatriation flights, you would expect crew numbers testing positive will increase.

NSW is going to 7 days isolation for close contacts who are fully vaxxed, but that still means many crew are likely to be sent to isolation from being a close contact from an infected crew member. Even domestically, the crew from the virgin positive crew member case are all being classed as close contacts. I can foresee a huge number of crew being required to isolate from being a close contact, both international and domestic, as we open up more.

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Old 9th Oct 2021, 03:38
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there's more touristy things to do in the Territory than in or around Perth and they could get some significant benefits of it in the long term.
righty oh, but I’d pretty confidently say - nope. Nothing wrong with the territory but in total I’d comfortably argue there is not more touristy things to do, and the benefits that a Darwin hub bring to the service (that not a lot of people use for an actual stopover) are limited once WA comes to its senses and opens up.

You seem to have an unhealthy hatred of the West… I dislike McGowan with a passion, but wishing for a base closure and the resulting upheaval for hundreds of Staff seems a little cruel.

Not to mention the stupidity of bypassing a market of 2 million plus potential passengers of which 170000 are UK expats… yeah that’d be a brilliant strategy.
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Old 9th Oct 2021, 03:39
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I'd almost give up my firstborn for QF to keep this going permanently and shove it in McGowans face. When you pray for rain, you gotta deal with the mud too, and this is solely a result of his inflexible border policy. Nothing more.

The NT Government could really do well out of this if they play their cards right IMHO, there's more touristy things to do in the Territory than in or around Perth and they could get some significant benefits of it in the long term.
It’s a good possibility that DRW will continue to feature in the kangaroo route with the 380 until the 350 arrives. It will be great for the NT, no doubt.
AJ will be keen to get Perth London back up as the loads were always strong with the locals contributing significantly. I can see both PER & DRW operating to London next year.
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Old 9th Oct 2021, 03:41
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Funny most of the rest of the western world has already learned to live with it. Middle East, Europe, North America from what I have seen first hand. All opening up. My inbox is getting hit regularly with OEM invitations to face to face conferences, trade shows etc. for early 2022. Asia still has a way to go.
Besides mask wearing, and some limitations on taxi numbers in some places (the new normal) you wouldn't know there was a pandemic on in many parts of the world over the last few months. Now is a perfect time to travel! Get the jab, and go. And if wearing a mask is too much for you on an aircraft go an buy a bag of cement.
Anywhere around Europe is a domestic flight to us, not even a Sydney to Perth sector, won't be doing no 30 hours in the flight levels wearing a mask, "EVER"
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Old 9th Oct 2021, 04:51
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Anywhere around Europe is a domestic flight to us, not even a Sydney to Perth sector, won't be doing no 30 hours in the flight levels wearing a mask, "EVER"
And that’s your right. Have fun on Rotto.
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Old 9th Oct 2021, 05:09
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And that’s your right. Have fun on Rotto.
Rotto lol! why would you bother, the rest of the country will do just fine along with the other 5 mil Aussie travellers. They have all bought caravans.

Your travelling market by Air is China and they aren't opening up anytime soon, if ever again, even if they did their not coming to Australia, in case you haven't noticed we are on the nose in China.
The next biggest obstacle is the Cruising Industry and Bali, until that's restored there won't be a lot of domestic air travel and even less international air travel.
I wouldn't be counting on the Australian traveller alone to restore the airlines, we are just a piss in a bucket.
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Old 9th Oct 2021, 06:40
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Always the patriot sandgroper. Sure it used to be cheaper to go to Bali than Rotto, but those ~30 flights a week meant 2/5 of 5/8 of what's 300km beyond Leonora for the rest of the country, they look a lot further afield. And how will you get back into WA with your winnebago when it's the last place trying to be COVID free? It would be good travelling through Longreach again though - a lot less crowded as the grey nomads who've bought the Jayco and the 200 series are selling them and heading to cruise the Danube.

And last time I looked most of the China tourist traffic came in on Chinese carriers - in a lovely closed loop zero sum tourism system. The absence of those flights - and draconian Chinese quarantine - might in fact push Aussies who had gone that way for the cheaper fares to Europe onto QF / EK / SIN. Can't be a bad thing?

Demand is there for travel. I was on a 380 a couple of months back, chockers downstairs in economy, quarantine had just been abandoned for returning residents so there was a surge of families outbound to see rellies they hadn't seen for 2 years. I'd never seen so many kids on a fight. Business upstairs a bit under half.

Your last sentence is the only cogent bit.
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Old 9th Oct 2021, 09:00
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Originally Posted by ExtraShot View Post

You seem to have an unhealthy hatred of the West… I dislike McGowan with a passion, but wishing for a base closure and the resulting upheaval for hundreds of Staff seems a little cruel.

Not to mention the stupidity of bypassing a market of 2 million plus potential passengers of which 170000 are UK expats… yeah that’d be a brilliant strategy.
Despite KRaviator’s desires the QF PER 787 base isn’t closing, this was communicated to staff, the plan is to restart PER-LHR in April, and thats because of the actually over 200,000 UK expats in Perth (more total than Sydney or Melbourne) and being QF’s most profitable international route pre pandemic. They probably want more services on the route.

The NT is currently in last place in the projected 80% date by almost 4 weeks, and I don’t think pax will be allowed to disembark and roam around the NT on a layover until well after that date.

And WA seems to acknowledge a reopening is coming, the Health minister this week indicated a reopening date (I assume to NSW and Vic) would be “later this year”, not mid 2022 as some had suggested
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Old 9th Oct 2021, 09:11
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Oh wow, Joycey is on a winner there

Oh how exciting! I could shit!. Just think soon we will be allowed to pay double for what we always did before. As long as we have passed all the extra tests and are carrying all the extra required 'papers' to prove we are of good social credit status. We must follow the new normal according to our great goobermint in Cant'bra!
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