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Old 30th Sep 2021, 07:12
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon View Post
Great job of faking, if it is a fake. Are you saying that you are sure that Teresa C. Long, MD, MPH, FS does not exist at all, or if she does exist, that she did not depose the affidavit that has been posted? Nothing would surprise me.

(I make no comment on the opinion expressed in the affidavit, fake or otherwise.)
Without looking at the opinions expressed in the affidavit, it looks like it could be a cleverly done fake. There are at least two Theresa M Long, MDs found with a quick google search - one 'Bureau-Long', and one just 'Long', clearly different people with different locations and specialisations, as well as a Teresa Long, MD, MPH who is clearly a third different person again (different professional interests and specialisation, Teresa C Long).

The Theresa M Bureau-Long appears as a family medicine specialist with qualification dates and locations that align with those claimed in the affidavit you refer to, so it looks like there is someone of that name, with matching qualification dates and apparently working at a clinic at Fort Rucker - it seems you can even book an appointment with her if you so desire! But no MPH. And implying some level of aviation medicine, she is listed as an author of a brief question and answer here Ask The Flight Surgeon , in the Army Aviation magazine. So I think it is quite possible that someone is using an identity, where there is a real person and location along with multiple similarly named people that will come up in a google search to muddy the waters further. Interestingly there is a link in the affidavit to a website purporting to be created by LTC Theresa M Long MD MPH, that itself links to what appears to be her CV, but the link destination looks suspicious to me and I don't want my PC to be infected with malware from downloading random files and sending everything I do to China or someplace.

In looking up the websites hosting this affidavit, there are at least two distinct different versions out there too! As in, at least one entirely different paragraph, and other different sentences. I haven't done a line by line comparison of the versions I have found, but the fact that this (unsigned) document claiming to be a legal statement exists in two quite different forms that look the same at first glance is a major red flag for me - maybe a way to see which released versions get shared widely, or gain the most traction, to work out where future documents should be released by the creators of it? Is there a Theresa M Bureau-Long in the US Army medical system? It looks like it. But there are enough inconsistencies with the documents - particularly with at least two different versions of them in existence - that I wouldn't automatically think that she is the author of the document in question, I would be very suspicious.

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Old 30th Sep 2021, 09:19
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There are often restrictions on posting here - I would assume they can not.
Nor any that have read it would care to post a link they could post but does not support their point, or access to a pay check that forms their position.
What are you on about now? Washington Times article as discussed. It looks to have changed some wording around since Dr Kildares post. Feel free to read it. A lot of this is also a simple google search away too, not hard to find. I'm not linking to another one of the websites because it's largely American political conspiracy theory stuff.
(edit - I'm well aware that the Washington Times isn't a remotely reputable source)

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Originally Posted by De_flieger View Post
What are you on about now? Washington Times article as discussed. It looks to have changed some wording around since Dr Kildares post. Feel free to read it. A lot of this is also a simple google search away too, not hard to find. I'm not linking to another one of the websites because it's largely American political conspiracy theory stuff.
That affidavit was filed as part of a lawsuit from “America’s Frontline Doctors”, the same wacko group that was involved in the January 6th US Capitol attack, and who’s members believe in things like Alien DNA being used in medications.

The Washington Times is a conspiracy level publication founded by a cult leader.

If this is the only media that will publish your views.....
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Old 30th Sep 2021, 10:54
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You know the Washington Times is founded by the Moonies and has been shown time and time again to be the publisher of non-factual stories and conspiracy theories. The moment your source involves the Washington Times, One America Network or Deepstate.com you have lost the argument.
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Originally Posted by Ollie Onion View Post
You know the Washington Times is founded by the Moonies and has been shown time and time again to be the publisher of non-factual stories and conspiracy theories. The moment your source involves the Washington Times, One America Network or Deepstate.com you have lost the argument.
Not to mention Newsmax and certain nut jobs on Fox.......
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Old 30th Sep 2021, 19:49
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You know the Washington Times is founded by the Moonies and has been shown time and time again to be the publisher of non-factual stories and conspiracy theories. The moment your source involves the Washington Times, One America Network or Deepstate.com you have lost the argument.

How the phrase ‘natural immunity’ misleads us about real risks and dangers

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...public-health/


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An interesting read - Points 100 on are very interesting for Mr Joyce and others.

https://www.fwc.gov.au/documents/dec...1fwcfb6015.htm
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Yet everyday thousands of pilots fly with undiagnosed heart conditions from genetics
I can personally vouch for this.
33 years flying then discover a genetic heart condition that has been with me from birth.
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An interesting read - Points 100 on are very interesting for Mr Joyce and others.

https://www.fwc.gov.au/documents/dec...1fwcfb6015.htm
That's just a submission for appeal from the look of it, so nothing has come of it yet. The original case was found in favor of the business and the dismissal upheld, adding that appeal would not be possible given public sentiment. The notes on Covid are just that representatives views on the matter, as that is what they are using as ammunition. None of it is proven in court yet. It does seem that if you were wanting to fight this you might want to seek out whichever council wrote the latter part... whether he's right or wrong, we won't know until its tested.
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I am sure it shall get tested, think it is the Police who have started action.
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Problem is, even if you get Commissioner Dean as your judge in the first case, if you win, it will almost certainly go to appeal and majority decision will most likely go the same way. A lot of the stuff cited by Dean in the Covid part are tenuous at best, linking to disability rights, general human rights (which all have disclaimers for health imposed restrictions) etc, a number of legal types have already ruled out those avenues. As the commissioners stated in the original decision the worker made no effort to try to get vaccinated given 6 different types of flu vaccine, did not seek medical attention when the original 'debilitating' case happened, so was never diagnosed, and supposedly took a prescription drug, but had no record of being prescribed. Then suddenly 4 years after the fact a doctor diagnoses them on one visit with a condition based on the word of the patient and two undated photos and signs off a legal document. I would be worried if I was that doctor. If your average anti vaxxer is going to try that on in a court of law over and over they will come up against the same wall of nope....

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An interesting read - Points 100 on are very interesting for Mr Joyce and others.

https://www.fwc.gov.au/documents/dec...1fwcfb6015.htm
Whilst I did opt to be fully vaccinated, I think this decision is the correct one.

Mandatory vaccination and the frenzy of misinformation regarding the unvaccinated is atrocious.

The unvaccinated will not hinder those of us choosing to be vaccinated and should not suffer any discrimination.

All this hoopla for a disease that worldwide has killed 0.03% of the population. Most of those elderly and with underlying (even if not known) conditions.
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You do realise the decision to sack the worker was upheld, not reversed. And half that article is the dummy spit by the commissioner who got out voted in the appeal decision which was denied. The main issue here is the evidence the worker provided was pretty weak. I have to agree I'm not in favor of mandatory vaccination for all, some circumstances it's warranted as it is proven to definitely protect the majority from infection and transmission. But not all, definitely aged care and such it should be a thing, considering flu vax is already a requirement and that is even less effective than covid vaccines have proven.

All this hoopla for a disease that worldwide has killed 0.03% of the population. Most of those elderly and with underlying (even if not known) conditions.
You might want to look at the faces of the dead that have made the same comment on the Herman Cain awards list, you might just book an appearance there by sporting those comments.

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Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist View Post

The unvaccinated will not hinder those of us choosing to be vaccinated and should not suffer any discrimination.

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They are already hindering those in Australia who want elective surgery, and in places that have not controlled it, it is hindering people who need an ICU bed. That is where we will quickly be if we don't achieve high vaccination rates, and, even when we do, out health system will be stressed by the unvaccinated.

We "discriminated" against smokers by taxing the hell out of tobacco because of the burden they placed on health- unvaccinated should get the same.
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Latest CDC report on Vaccine effectiveness;

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ed-people.html

Under Conclusions;

These findings, along with the early evidence for reduced levels of viral mRNA and culturable virus in vaccinated people who acquire SARS-CoV-2 infection, suggest that any associated transmission risk is substantially reduced in vaccinated people: even for Delta, evidence suggests fully vaccinated people who become infected are infectious for shorter periods of time than unvaccinated people infected with Delta.
Which rubbishes any assertion that vaccines don't curb transmission. Which was a big statement in the commissioners against argument.
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They are already hindering those in Australia who want elective surgery, and in places that have not controlled it, it is hindering people who need an ICU bed. That is where we will quickly be if we don't achieve high vaccination rates, and, even when we do, out health system will be stressed by the unvaccinated.

We "discriminated" against smokers by taxing the hell out of tobacco because of the burden they placed on health- unvaccinated should get the same.
Sorry Wiz, I just don’t agree that segregation is warranted or required.

Add an unvaxed tax? Dunno, sounds about crazy enough to be true.
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Whilst I did opt to be fully vaccinated, I think this decision is the correct one.

Mandatory vaccination and the frenzy of misinformation regarding the unvaccinated is atrocious.

The unvaccinated will not hinder those of us choosing to be vaccinated and should not suffer any discrimination.

All this hoopla for a disease that worldwide has killed 0.03% of the population. Most of those elderly and with underlying (even if not known) conditions.
The unvaccinated are already hindering those of us who have chosen to be vaccinated. Ask the doctors working in hospitals in Melbourne and Sydney about the cancellation of elective surgery and all but the most urgent surgery. Substantial delays and deferrals are already happening, it's not a hypothetical "at some point if there is a surge" problem.

And regarding your claim that covid has killed 0.03% of the population, the death toll in the USA has just passed 700,000, with a population of 333,460,200 or so, so that is 0.2% of the US population killed by covid and that death toll is rising - 100% of the US population has not been infected/exposed to covid yet. So you're off by a factor of almost 7 there, and it will get worse - there were just over 118,000 new cases reported in the USA on the 1st of October alone, the average is around 100,000 new cases per day at the moment. That's in a first world country with a reasonable healthcare system and the ability to put people into ICUs.
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They are already hindering those in Australia who want elective surgery, and in places that have not controlled it, it is hindering people who need an ICU bed. That is where we will quickly be if we don't achieve high vaccination rates, and, even when we do, out health system will be stressed by the unvaccinated.

We "discriminated" against smokers by taxing the hell out of tobacco because of the burden they placed on health- unvaccinated should get the same.
If 100% were vaccinated and we opened - our health system will still be broken on a bad influenza year.

Our health system paid for by all tax payers is far from adequate if we have "elective surgery" of injury/illness waiting lists of over a year - SO PEOPLE CAN RETURN TO WORK. Prior to COVID 19 hitting our shores.

It has been buggered for years! an attempt to fix was Medicare levy or private health insurance - that is a failure of policy.

Given the cases in WA, NT and QLD of COVID in the last 2 years - They should be Wait List free! Can you give the current capacity over the last 6 months for these states?
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There is only a wait list for free elective surgery via medicare, outside covid it's not that hard to get IF you really need it. Big wait times come in if you want particular surgery and its not considered necessary or you want particular doctors to do it. At the moment there are restrictions on all elective surgery even in the private system due to covid precautions and restrictions.

Most elective surgery will be covered by medium insurance cover and you will have no wait time outside of covid if insured and go private. If you are working, under pension age, and don't have a disability you are a goose not to have private insurance in Australia, it will bite you in the backside at one point costing more than it saves you not to.
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If 100% were vaccinated and we opened - our health system will still be broken on a bad influenza year.

Our health system paid for by all tax payers is far from adequate if we have "elective surgery" of injury/illness waiting lists of over a year - SO PEOPLE CAN RETURN TO WORK. Prior to COVID 19 hitting our shores.

It has been buggered for years! an attempt to fix was Medicare levy or private health insurance - that is a failure of policy.

Given the cases in WA, NT and QLD of COVID in the last 2 years - They should be Wait List free! Can you give the current capacity over the last 6 months for these states?
Not disagreeing, but this is where we are- Yes, there has been chronic underfunding. but that is the reality of our situation, and those who choose to not alleviate it by getting vaccinating will just make it worse.
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