Covid Shot - Side Effects?
Originally Posted by mattyj
I doubt the data from Israel and their vaccination status and it’s failures will ever get to the average man on the street here
Social Media is loaded with fake news. Some of it state sponsored. I gave up taking people seriously here, when their links backing their views were so obviously uncorroborated, it was embarrassing.
Never heard of the BA pilots so had a bit of a look. Not sure how their families would feel seeing professional colleagues peddling unsubstantiated conspiracies that go counterintuitive with what the public expects of the profession.
Originally Posted by Gnadenburg
If one of these COVID variants starts afflicting children, with long term health damage or fatalities, attitudes to vaccinations would change. The panic entirely predictable.
Originally Posted by Chuck Canuck
Pprune is a disgrace nowadays.
no discussions allowed on 4 BA pilots who keeled over.
utter disgrace.
RIP
RIP PPRuNe too😤
no discussions allowed on 4 BA pilots who keeled over.
utter disgrace.
RIP
RIP PPRuNe too😤
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Lockdowns and now vaccinations are an anathema to dealing with a pandemic during the middle of the pandemic. You don’t vaccinate while the virus is still spreading because that encourages mutations, and you don’t quarantine the young and healthy when there is no danger to the young and healthy because you slow or stop potential herd immunity. If there are dangerous mutations we have no one to blame but ourselves.
Originally Posted by mattyj
Lockdowns and now vaccinations are an anathema to dealing with a pandemic during the middle of the pandemic. You don’t vaccinate while the virus is still spreading because that encourages mutations, and you don’t quarantine the young and healthy when there is no danger to the young and healthy because you slow or stop potential herd immunity. If there are dangerous mutations we have no one to blame but ourselves.
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That’s not the point..a haphazard vaccination program in the middle or to the end of an outbreak encourages mutations..it’s standard practice to vaccinate prior to an outbreak..this is normal epidemiological understanding
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...ARS-CoV-2.aspx
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...ARS-CoV-2.aspx
Glanced at your link. Could happen, maybe could happen? What was telling was this at the end-
"How unequal vaccine distribution promotes the evolution of vaccine escape"
Another political agenda skinny on fact, though loaded on fear.
Did I mention Australia's response to COVID 19 a catastrophic civil defence failure? How will the public, local government, state government and the federal government react to complex pressure, agenda and coercion from the CCP? Never has our way of life ever been so threatened by the stupidity our freedoms can sometimes fuel.
"How unequal vaccine distribution promotes the evolution of vaccine escape"
Another political agenda skinny on fact, though loaded on fear.
Did I mention Australia's response to COVID 19 a catastrophic civil defence failure? How will the public, local government, state government and the federal government react to complex pressure, agenda and coercion from the CCP? Never has our way of life ever been so threatened by the stupidity our freedoms can sometimes fuel.
Originally Posted by Gnadenburg
Glanced at your link. Could happen, maybe could happen? What was telling was this at the end-
"How unequal vaccine distribution promotes the evolution of vaccine escape"
Another political agenda skinny on fact, though loaded on fear.
Did I mention Australia's response to COVID 19 a catastrophic civil defence failure? How will the public, local government, state government and the federal government react to complex pressure, agenda and coercion from the CCP? Never has our way of life ever been so threatened by the stupidity our freedoms can sometimes fuel.
"How unequal vaccine distribution promotes the evolution of vaccine escape"
Another political agenda skinny on fact, though loaded on fear.
Did I mention Australia's response to COVID 19 a catastrophic civil defence failure? How will the public, local government, state government and the federal government react to complex pressure, agenda and coercion from the CCP? Never has our way of life ever been so threatened by the stupidity our freedoms can sometimes fuel.
'Did I mention Australia's response to COVID 19 a catastrophic civil defence failure?".
It may not have suited you your royal highness but the fact we don't have the rates of death and infection other countries do and the fact our economy looks pretty good compared to any other country is an outstanding result in terms of dealing with a 1 in a hundred year event. Nothing is perfect but I would put Australia's response up against any other country.
Originally Posted by mattyj
That’s not the point..a haphazard vaccination program in the middle or to the end of an outbreak encourages mutations..it’s standard practice to vaccinate prior to an outbreak..this is normal epidemiological understanding
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...ARS-CoV-2.aspx
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...ARS-CoV-2.aspx
Ozbiggles
It should be a confronting issue though I suggest you open your mind rather than take to abuse.
Australia raised its drawbridge and locked out its citizens. A simple option afforded to a country with geographical advantage in what you say is a one in a hundred year event. Simple geographical advantage protected us from other "one in hundred year events" such as the Depression and rise of Fascism, WW2, the Rise of Communism etc.
Now we are dealing with the Rise of China with well placed sources saying war is inevitable- hopefully not though fiercer coercion is! COVID 19 has provided a dress rehearsal for Australia's vulnerability from a civil defence perspective.
So moving away from that Aussie need for a Gold Star, pat on the back, or perhaps the Oztronaut attitude in aviation parlance, how well have we gone from a civil defence perspective? We had better quarantine in sailing ship days and we have learnt nothing in over a year. Inconsistencies across the States in lockdowns and closures doesn't augur well in hybrid, or full blown confrontation with China, where supply lines are scarce or strained ( eg: fuel and medicines ) . Now the vaccination roll-out is nothing short of a disaster from a country that simply raised its drawbridge and is locked toward an election with no leadership beyond popularism out of COVID. The poor vaccination roll-out and in some way evidenced by this thread, has shown our governments have no idea how to educate and promote an essential health program, which from a civil defence perspective, presents vulnerabilities to CCP political interference and internet influencers eg: fake news and disinformation campaigns.
The "pretty good" economy? That's what has proven most vulnerable during COVID when looking forward to civil defence challenges and confrontation. We've pulled the trigger as have most countries, record stimulus and debt, driving commodity demand to our advantage. Can we pull the trigger again? For the next "one in a hundred year event" ? How great will our economy look when needing to re-arm whilst setting up to fight our biggest trading partner? What if the USA is pushed out of the Pacific or draws a line East of Guam?
Australia is spoilt by fortune afforded to few. When analysed, I would not dare put up its COVID response as a success, even with your throw away line that "nothing is perfect".
It should be a confronting issue though I suggest you open your mind rather than take to abuse.
Australia raised its drawbridge and locked out its citizens. A simple option afforded to a country with geographical advantage in what you say is a one in a hundred year event. Simple geographical advantage protected us from other "one in hundred year events" such as the Depression and rise of Fascism, WW2, the Rise of Communism etc.
Now we are dealing with the Rise of China with well placed sources saying war is inevitable- hopefully not though fiercer coercion is! COVID 19 has provided a dress rehearsal for Australia's vulnerability from a civil defence perspective.
So moving away from that Aussie need for a Gold Star, pat on the back, or perhaps the Oztronaut attitude in aviation parlance, how well have we gone from a civil defence perspective? We had better quarantine in sailing ship days and we have learnt nothing in over a year. Inconsistencies across the States in lockdowns and closures doesn't augur well in hybrid, or full blown confrontation with China, where supply lines are scarce or strained ( eg: fuel and medicines ) . Now the vaccination roll-out is nothing short of a disaster from a country that simply raised its drawbridge and is locked toward an election with no leadership beyond popularism out of COVID. The poor vaccination roll-out and in some way evidenced by this thread, has shown our governments have no idea how to educate and promote an essential health program, which from a civil defence perspective, presents vulnerabilities to CCP political interference and internet influencers eg: fake news and disinformation campaigns.
The "pretty good" economy? That's what has proven most vulnerable during COVID when looking forward to civil defence challenges and confrontation. We've pulled the trigger as have most countries, record stimulus and debt, driving commodity demand to our advantage. Can we pull the trigger again? For the next "one in a hundred year event" ? How great will our economy look when needing to re-arm whilst setting up to fight our biggest trading partner? What if the USA is pushed out of the Pacific or draws a line East of Guam?
Australia is spoilt by fortune afforded to few. When analysed, I would not dare put up its COVID response as a success, even with your throw away line that "nothing is perfect".
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Every western country has a pandemic preparedness document of some sort which no doubt takes information from all the big epidemiological names, and at big expense to the taxpayers..I’m not sure how it has been in Australia but in this country and in the United States and I’m reliably informed, the UK, that document has not as yet been dusted off. The response has been completely bespoke and in many cases, contrary to previous understanding.
This ‘winging it’ is very puzzling.
This ‘winging it’ is very puzzling.
Originally Posted by Gnadenburg
Ozbiggles
Australia is spoilt by fortune afforded to few. When analysed, I would not dare put up its COVID response as a success, even with your throw away line that "nothing is perfect".
Australia is spoilt by fortune afforded to few. When analysed, I would not dare put up its COVID response as a success, even with your throw away line that "nothing is perfect".
I had my second Pfizer jab on the weekend.
My arm was a bit sore that evening so I took a couple each of Paracetamol and Ibuprofen tablets before bedtime.
Discomfort / tenderness gone by the next afternoon, that was the only symptom
My arm was a bit sore that evening so I took a couple each of Paracetamol and Ibuprofen tablets before bedtime.
Discomfort / tenderness gone by the next afternoon, that was the only symptom
Originally Posted by kiwi grey
I had my second Pfizer jab on the weekend.
My arm was a bit sore that evening so I took a couple each of Paracetamol and Ibuprofen tablets before bedtime.
Discomfort / tenderness gone by the next afternoon, that was the only symptom
My arm was a bit sore that evening so I took a couple each of Paracetamol and Ibuprofen tablets before bedtime.
Discomfort / tenderness gone by the next afternoon, that was the only symptom
Easy experience
The Japanese government has for the very first time today officially stated that Ibuprofen, Paracetamol/Acetaminophen and Loxoprofen are equally recommended for treatment of post-vaccination flu-like symptoms such as headache and high temperature.
(Until now there has been an extremely long silence... with most people buying up Paracetamol/Acetaminophen in the absence of any guidance or advice.)
(Until now there has been an extremely long silence... with most people buying up Paracetamol/Acetaminophen in the absence of any guidance or advice.)
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix
The Japanese government has for the very first time today officially stated that Ibuprofen, Paracetamol/Acetaminophen and Loxoprofen are equally recommended for treatment of post-vaccination flu-like symptoms such as headache and high temperature.
(Until now there has been an extremely long silence... with most people buying up Paracetamol/Acetaminophen in the absence of any guidance or advice.)
(Until now there has been an extremely long silence... with most people buying up Paracetamol/Acetaminophen in the absence of any guidance or advice.)
Originally Posted by jolihokistix
The Japanese government has for the very first time today officially stated that Ibuprofen, Paracetamol/Acetaminophen and Loxoprofen are equally recommended for treatment of post-vaccination flu-like symptoms such as headache and high temperature.
(Until now there has been an extremely long silence... with most people buying up Paracetamol/Acetaminophen in the absence of any guidance or advice.)
(Until now there has been an extremely long silence... with most people buying up Paracetamol/Acetaminophen in the absence of any guidance or advice.)
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I applaud the various religious and cultural leaders here in the UK for pleading with their own ethnic groups to get vaccinated and quickly. All this with the constant noise from the anti vacc brigade with a rapidly rising Cov19 Delta variant that will only get worse as winter comes and a new virus takes off again. A crazed Uk media does nothing to assist this process.
