Qantas...Post COVID
Lots of people that frequent this forum and think that they’re opinion is somehow valid or needed have no idea of risk or responsibility. Pilots accept and mitigate risk on a daily basis. When you are responsible for all passengers crew and the aircraft as your professional duty, you understand risk. It’s probably the reason why the vast majority think that the quarantine arrangements are complete bull****.
Then we get Tucknroll crapping on about supposed risks that aren’t even calculable. Do you fly? Do you drive? Do you eat red meat? Drink alcohol. Stay in bed mate it’s far safer. **** you could even get an infected bed sore.
As a rough guess 90% of the 787 crew are making themselves available for repat flying including yours trooley.
Why do some learn to fly when they’re so scared of living?
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We are all vaccinated so the risk is there but extremely low. We had COVID positive passengers on board a few months ago. Didn’t know until we were told a few days later. Not one of the crew became infected and that was long before anyone was vaccinated. The odds are probably higher of having an engine failure at V1 and what are the odds of that? 2/5ths of fu*kall.
Lots of people that frequent this forum and think that they’re opinion is somehow valid or needed have no idea of risk or responsibility. Pilots accept and mitigate risk on a daily basis. When you are responsible for all passengers crew and the aircraft as your professional duty, you understand risk. It’s probably the reason why the vast majority think that the quarantine arrangements are complete bull****. Then we get Tucknroll crapping on about supposed risks that aren’t even calculable. Do you fly? Do you drive? Do you eat red meat? Drink alcohol. Stay in bed mate it’s far safer. **** you could even get an infected bed sore. As a rough guess 90% of the 787 crew are making themselves available for repat flying including yours trooley.
Why do some learn to fly when they’re so scared of living?
Lots of people that frequent this forum and think that they’re opinion is somehow valid or needed have no idea of risk or responsibility. Pilots accept and mitigate risk on a daily basis. When you are responsible for all passengers crew and the aircraft as your professional duty, you understand risk. It’s probably the reason why the vast majority think that the quarantine arrangements are complete bull****. Then we get Tucknroll crapping on about supposed risks that aren’t even calculable. Do you fly? Do you drive? Do you eat red meat? Drink alcohol. Stay in bed mate it’s far safer. **** you could even get an infected bed sore. As a rough guess 90% of the 787 crew are making themselves available for repat flying including yours trooley.
Why do some learn to fly when they’re so scared of living?
Most Australians are happy with the current situation, because we’re living good, almost entirely unaffected lives during a pandemic. If the decision makers called Troo believer instead of the actual experts, we’d have hundreds if not thousands of dead.
I don’t because I have someone in my home who would likely die if they got Covid. And that’s the point really, the reason that Australia has fared so well is because we, as a nation, have shielded the weak and vulnerable. I know if I get Covid, I’ll be fine. Thousands of Australians would die if it got loose in our unvaccinated community.
Most Australians are happy with the current situation, because we’re living good, almost entirely unaffected lives during a pandemic. If the decision makers called Troo believer instead of the actual experts, we’d have hundreds if not thousands of dead.
Most Australians are happy with the current situation, because we’re living good, almost entirely unaffected lives during a pandemic. If the decision makers called Troo believer instead of the actual experts, we’d have hundreds if not thousands of dead.
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Tucknroll is probably a tradie, quite happy to take jobkeeper whilst it was available by cooking the books (I'll give you 10% discount for cash sound familiar??), but now is booked out for the next 2 years. There is absolutely now chance he is in anyway associated with the Aviation Industry, it actually looks like Telfer using another name.
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Well I think it was & is courageous , a lot of evac flights were done pre-vaccine
Others may have their own view , can't really see the relevance of people quoting number of days since work
I got called various names(not phased) by stating that getting back to 25% of international (no including NZ) within 2 years
would be a great achievement - it turns out I was wildly optimistic. Covid still ripping through countries & Sing/HK/Taiwan back in lockdown
, places like Indo/Thailand & the poorer countries in Asia concern me.
I always thought the "snapback" theory to International travel was tenuous. And what people need to start coming to terms with is that the
pre-Covid international travel system simply no longer exists - there is nothing to "go back" to anymore. That system is gone/over for several years
& something new needs to be created
Shrieking "its all good" or blaming the various Australian Govts isn't going to change reality, WA , Vic & Qld are not going to cede their international border control powers
Others may have their own view , can't really see the relevance of people quoting number of days since work
I got called various names(not phased) by stating that getting back to 25% of international (no including NZ) within 2 years
would be a great achievement - it turns out I was wildly optimistic. Covid still ripping through countries & Sing/HK/Taiwan back in lockdown
, places like Indo/Thailand & the poorer countries in Asia concern me.
I always thought the "snapback" theory to International travel was tenuous. And what people need to start coming to terms with is that the
pre-Covid international travel system simply no longer exists - there is nothing to "go back" to anymore. That system is gone/over for several years
& something new needs to be created
Shrieking "its all good" or blaming the various Australian Govts isn't going to change reality, WA , Vic & Qld are not going to cede their international border control powers
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Tucknroll is probably a tradie, quite happy to take jobkeeper whilst it was available by cooking the books (I'll give you 10% discount for cash sound familiar??), but now is booked out for the next 2 years. There is absolutely now chance he is in anyway associated with the Aviation Industry, it actually looks like Telfer using another name.
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Because pilots don't catch Covid
https://www.traveller.com.au/taiwan-...-pilots-h1vr9j
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-55433588
https://www.traveller.com.au/taiwan-...-pilots-h1vr9j
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-55433588
Because pilots don't catch Covid
https://www.traveller.com.au/taiwan-...-pilots-h1vr9j
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-55433588
https://www.traveller.com.au/taiwan-...-pilots-h1vr9j
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-55433588
We're not wandering around getting/spreading it nor getting it at home and taking it abroad.
we're locked in hotel rooms.
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https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp....0a10fa90a5e0c7
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If you read that article closely you’ll see that Mick got Covid before the stand down and restrictions about staying in your hotel room, etc. In his own words he talks about the interaction in the shops- something QF pilots haven’t had since resuming repat and freighter flying from about May last year.
Since the restrictions regarding hotel rooms, masks, contact with others, etc, there hasn’t been a single Qantas pilot test positive for Covid as a result of operating an overseas pattern. I’m not sure of the exact number but it’s well north of 4,000 crew on various trips for zero cases.
The ‘since it all began’ that I believe Troo believer was talking about was repat and freighter flying, not the beginning of the pandemic.
Since the restrictions regarding hotel rooms, masks, contact with others, etc, there hasn’t been a single Qantas pilot test positive for Covid as a result of operating an overseas pattern. I’m not sure of the exact number but it’s well north of 4,000 crew on various trips for zero cases.
The ‘since it all began’ that I believe Troo believer was talking about was repat and freighter flying, not the beginning of the pandemic.
If you read that article closely you’ll see that Mick got Covid before the stand down and restrictions about staying in your hotel room, etc. In his own words he talks about the interaction in the shops- something QF pilots haven’t had since resuming repat and freighter flying from about May last year.
Since the restrictions regarding hotel rooms, masks, contact with others, etc, there hasn’t been a single Qantas pilot test positive for Covid as a result of operating an overseas pattern. I’m not sure of the exact number but it’s well north of 4,000 crew on various trips for zero cases.
The ‘since it all began’ that I believe Troo believer was talking about was repat and freighter flying, not the beginning of the pandemic.
Since the restrictions regarding hotel rooms, masks, contact with others, etc, there hasn’t been a single Qantas pilot test positive for Covid as a result of operating an overseas pattern. I’m not sure of the exact number but it’s well north of 4,000 crew on various trips for zero cases.
The ‘since it all began’ that I believe Troo believer was talking about was repat and freighter flying, not the beginning of the pandemic.
“Since the border was closed and all rpt flying ceased internationally”.
How’s that?
https://www.traveller.com.au/austral...rrivals-h1vusn
People don't get Covid in hotel rooms? You had better let the State and Territory authorities know, that might come as a surprise!
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To be fair, in most international ports Qantas crew aren’t sharing floors with Covid positive people. The only place that tends to happen is when forced into hotel quarantine in Australia.
Again, we’ve had 4,000+ pilots operate internationally and overnight outside of Australia since May last year. Zero covid cases. So no Ozbiggles, it appears that the crew operating internationally are not getting Covid in hotel rooms. We’re all mostly vaccinated now as well.
We are also significantly lower risk than local workers in hotel quarantine who face no restrictions on their movements. But there’s a separate thread already discussing that particular bit of policy stupidity.
Again, we’ve had 4,000+ pilots operate internationally and overnight outside of Australia since May last year. Zero covid cases. So no Ozbiggles, it appears that the crew operating internationally are not getting Covid in hotel rooms. We’re all mostly vaccinated now as well.
We are also significantly lower risk than local workers in hotel quarantine who face no restrictions on their movements. But there’s a separate thread already discussing that particular bit of policy stupidity.
Given the amount of bleach used around in the shanghai hotel prison and their processing i have some faith, and then on return these crew are not wandering in thr general population so no its apples/oranges.
I agree it is apples and oranges (for brevity lets ignore the issues of home isolation) but both are potential vectors of Covid or any other virus into the community. It is all about the risk management. My point is (and to swing us/me back to topic)that Qantas crews and any other airline is just going to have to face the fact that Covid risk mitigation is going to remain a part of any operation for the foreseeable future and that ongoing risk management is going to sux (trust me still better than not having a flying career anymore). However as Keg points out that risk management model seems to be working for Australian crews. When you relax it you end up like the once golden child of Covid,Taiwan.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ndard-defences
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ndard-defences
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