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Old 16th May 2021, 15:11
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Originally Posted by Tucknroll View Post
They wouldn’t get me doing the India flights for double pay. Good on those people who’ve put their name forward, it’s voluntary for a reason.
We are all vaccinated so the risk is there but extremely low. We had COVID positive passengers on board a few months ago. Didn’t know until we were told a few days later. Not one of the crew became infected and that was long before anyone was vaccinated. The odds are probably higher of having an engine failure at V1 and what are the odds of that? 2/5ths of fu*kall.

Lots of people that frequent this forum and think that they’re opinion is somehow valid or needed have no idea of risk or responsibility. Pilots accept and mitigate risk on a daily basis. When you are responsible for all passengers crew and the aircraft as your professional duty, you understand risk. It’s probably the reason why the vast majority think that the quarantine arrangements are complete bullshit.

Then we get Tucknroll crapping on about supposed risks that aren’t even calculable. Do you fly? Do you drive? Do you eat red meat? Drink alcohol. Stay in bed mate it’s far safer. Shit you could even get an infected bed sore.

As a rough guess 90% of the 787 crew are making themselves available for repat flying including yours trooley.
Why do some learn to fly when they’re so scared of living?

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Old 16th May 2021, 22:48
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Well said! Iím going on 424 days since I last did my job.
442 for me
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Old 16th May 2021, 23:33
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Originally Posted by Troo believer View Post
We are all vaccinated so the risk is there but extremely low. We had COVID positive passengers on board a few months ago. Didnít know until we were told a few days later. Not one of the crew became infected and that was long before anyone was vaccinated. The odds are probably higher of having an engine failure at V1 and what are the odds of that? 2/5ths of fu*kall.

Lots of people that frequent this forum and think that theyíre opinion is somehow valid or needed have no idea of risk or responsibility. Pilots accept and mitigate risk on a daily basis. When you are responsible for all passengers crew and the aircraft as your professional duty, you understand risk. Itís probably the reason why the vast majority think that the quarantine arrangements are complete bullshit. Then we get Tucknroll crapping on about supposed risks that arenít even calculable. Do you fly? Do you drive? Do you eat red meat? Drink alcohol. Stay in bed mate itís far safer. Shit you could even get an infected bed sore. As a rough guess 90% of the 787 crew are making themselves available for repat flying including yours trooley.
Why do some learn to fly when theyíre so scared of living?
I donít because I have someone in my home who would likely die if they got Covid. And thatís the point really, the reason that Australia has fared so well is because we, as a nation, have shielded the weak and vulnerable. I know if I get Covid, Iíll be fine. Thousands of Australians would die if it got loose in our unvaccinated community.

Most Australians are happy with the current situation, because weíre living good, almost entirely unaffected lives during a pandemic. If the decision makers called Troo believer instead of the actual experts, weíd have hundreds if not thousands of dead.
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Old 17th May 2021, 02:13
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I donít because I have someone in my home who would likely die if they got Covid. And thatís the point really, the reason that Australia has fared so well is because we, as a nation, have shielded the weak and vulnerable. I know if I get Covid, Iíll be fine. Thousands of Australians would die if it got loose in our unvaccinated community.

Most Australians are happy with the current situation, because weíre living good, almost entirely unaffected lives during a pandemic. If the decision makers called Troo believer instead of the actual experts, weíd have hundreds if not thousands of dead.
Yes the vaccination is the key to unlocking the travel restrictions. We all know that. You could quarantine in a hotel instead if youíre concerned about bringing back an infection if youíre indeed a pilot. Somehow I doubt that you are. I will add that not one flight crew member flying internationally has become infected since it all began. Read the science. Itís accessible and prolific but donít hide behind ill founded opinion based on CLS. Is the vulnerable person vaccinated yet? I sincerely hope so.
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Old 17th May 2021, 06:04
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Tucknroll is probably a tradie, quite happy to take jobkeeper whilst it was available by cooking the books (I'll give you 10% discount for cash sound familiar??), but now is booked out for the next 2 years. There is absolutely now chance he is in anyway associated with the Aviation Industry, it actually looks like Telfer using another name.
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Old 17th May 2021, 07:47
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Well I think it was & is courageous , a lot of evac flights were done pre-vaccine
Others may have their own view , can't really see the relevance of people quoting number of days since work
I got called various names(not phased) by stating that getting back to 25% of international (no including NZ) within 2 years
would be a great achievement - it turns out I was wildly optimistic. Covid still ripping through countries & Sing/HK/Taiwan back in lockdown
, places like Indo/Thailand & the poorer countries in Asia concern me.

I always thought the "snapback" theory to International travel was tenuous. And what people need to start coming to terms with is that the
pre-Covid international travel system simply no longer exists - there is nothing to "go back" to anymore. That system is gone/over for several years
& something new needs to be created

Shrieking "its all good" or blaming the various Australian Govts isn't going to change reality, WA , Vic & Qld are not going to cede their international border control powers

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Old 17th May 2021, 07:52
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Originally Posted by Troo believer View Post
I will add that not one flight crew member flying internationally has become infected since it all began.
Yes they have.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp....ticle/13009752
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Old 17th May 2021, 08:08
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Originally Posted by Street garbage View Post
Tucknroll is probably a tradie, quite happy to take jobkeeper whilst it was available by cooking the books (I'll give you 10% discount for cash sound familiar??), but now is booked out for the next 2 years. There is absolutely now chance he is in anyway associated with the Aviation Industry, it actually looks like Telfer using another name.
Ah yes, all those tradies that hang out on obscure pilots forums. Perhaps you can write to the moderator with important access questions like ďwhich bush is the best for hiding long necks at fattyís so skinny didnít find themĒ so you can weed out all the plumbers who like to post here. Hell if I was a tradie, Iíd have much better things to do with my time than argue with armchair virology experts who blame their woes on anyone they can.

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Old 17th May 2021, 09:24
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No incorrect. It was a flight attendant (cabin crew) not flight crew (pilot).
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Old 17th May 2021, 12:59
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No incorrect. It was a flight attendant (cabin crew) not flight crew (pilot).
And it was suspected they picked it up at some stage whilst in Paris (adhering to all the rules regarding iso), not from a pax.
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Old 17th May 2021, 13:45
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Because pilots don't catch Covid

https://www.traveller.com.au/taiwan-...-pilots-h1vr9j

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-55433588

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Old 17th May 2021, 14:22
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Originally Posted by Troo believer View Post
I will add that not one flight crew member flying internationally has become infected since it all began.
Youíre wrong.
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Old 17th May 2021, 15:41
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not relevant given the restrictions in place for aus based crew when overseas and on return.
We're not wandering around getting/spreading it nor getting it at home and taking it abroad.

we're locked in hotel rooms.
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Old 17th May 2021, 22:41
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Originally Posted by Troo believer View Post
No incorrect. It was a flight attendant (cabin crew) not flight crew (pilot).
Yep I know of at least one tech crew. I am sure there are others.

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Old 17th May 2021, 22:56
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If you read that article closely you’ll see that Mick got Covid before the stand down and restrictions about staying in your hotel room, etc. In his own words he talks about the interaction in the shops- something QF pilots haven’t had since resuming repat and freighter flying from about May last year.

Since the restrictions regarding hotel rooms, masks, contact with others, etc, there hasn’t been a single Qantas pilot test positive for Covid as a result of operating an overseas pattern. I’m not sure of the exact number but it’s well north of 4,000 crew on various trips for zero cases.

The ‘since it all began’ that I believe Troo believer was talking about was repat and freighter flying, not the beginning of the pandemic.
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Old 17th May 2021, 23:18
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Originally Posted by Keg View Post
If you read that article closely you’ll see that Mick got Covid before the stand down and restrictions about staying in your hotel room, etc. In his own words he talks about the interaction in the shops- something QF pilots haven’t had since resuming repat and freighter flying from about May last year.

Since the restrictions regarding hotel rooms, masks, contact with others, etc, there hasn’t been a single Qantas pilot test positive for Covid as a result of operating an overseas pattern. I’m not sure of the exact number but it’s well north of 4,000 crew on various trips for zero cases.

The ‘since it all began’ that I believe Troo believer was talking about was repat and freighter flying, not the beginning of the pandemic.
Confirmation bias creeps in. Why can’t some people read properly. However, I’ll need to be more specific next time.
“Since the border was closed and all rpt flying ceased internationally”.
How’s that?

https://www.traveller.com.au/austral...rrivals-h1vusn
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not relevant given the restrictions in place for aus based crew when overseas and on return.
We're not wandering around getting/spreading it nor getting it at home and taking it abroad.

we're locked in hotel rooms.

People don't get Covid in hotel rooms? You had better let the State and Territory authorities know, that might come as a surprise!
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Old 18th May 2021, 01:35
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To be fair, in most international ports Qantas crew aren’t sharing floors with Covid positive people. The only place that tends to happen is when forced into hotel quarantine in Australia.

Again, we’ve had 4,000+ pilots operate internationally and overnight outside of Australia since May last year. Zero covid cases. So no Ozbiggles, it appears that the crew operating internationally are not getting Covid in hotel rooms. We’re all mostly vaccinated now as well.

We are also significantly lower risk than local workers in hotel quarantine who face no restrictions on their movements. But there’s a separate thread already discussing that particular bit of policy stupidity.
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Old 18th May 2021, 01:43
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People don't get Covid in hotel rooms? You had better let the State and Territory authorities know, that might come as a surprise!
Given the amount of bleach used around in the shanghai hotel prison and their processing i have some faith, and then on return these crew are not wandering in thr general population so no its apples/oranges.
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I agree it is apples and oranges (for brevity lets ignore the issues of home isolation) but both are potential vectors of Covid or any other virus into the community. It is all about the risk management. My point is (and to swing us/me back to topic)that Qantas crews and any other airline is just going to have to face the fact that Covid risk mitigation is going to remain a part of any operation for the foreseeable future and that ongoing risk management is going to sux (trust me still better than not having a flying career anymore). However as Keg points out that risk management model seems to be working for Australian crews. When you relax it you end up like the once golden child of Covid,Taiwan.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ndard-defences

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