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Old 18th Apr 2021, 03:36
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Question is how long can QF international survive? If this looks like itís going to go on for a few years then AJ and shareholders wonít want the rest of the group to spend a cent propping up international. The government may seriously have to look at some kind of arrangement to prop it up if it is to survive
The other option is to let it fail and that would be no good for any Australian.
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Old 18th Apr 2021, 03:38
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Substitute QF with any longhaul airline code to get a better answer
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Old 18th Apr 2021, 03:53
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Originally Posted by turbantime View Post
Put the international division into voluntary administration. Clean the slates and start again. Negative publicity will be more than offset by the savings to be had by renegotiating everything from financing to EBAs.
If only it was so easy. Our industrial laws donít allow for what you propose. Besides which, Qantas (Mainline) is one company - no such thing as voluntary administration on a departmental basis.
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Old 18th Apr 2021, 03:55
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Originally Posted by Transition Layer View Post
After Greg Huntís comments the other day that even after the vaccine rollout the borders may stay shut makes you wonder how QF Intl can survive in its current form.
Again, Greg Hunt was asked if he could absolutely GUARANTEE that the border would stay open - and like everytime
the media ask for a GUARANTEE the answer has to be NO.

His answer of course made headlines with all the usual BS...
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Old 18th Apr 2021, 04:10
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Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist View Post
Again, Greg Hunt was asked if he could absolutely GUARANTEE that the border would stay open - and like everytime
the media ask for a GUARANTEE the answer has to be NO.

His answer of course made headlines with all the usual BS...
Good point...perhaps I got sucked in by the headline along with everyone else! I do feel the rhetoric has changed though - because they have stuffed the vaccine rollout they are becoming more gun shy about opening up.
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Old 18th Apr 2021, 06:49
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Originally Posted by davidclarke View Post
Question is how long can QF international survive? If this looks like itís going to go on for a few years then AJ and shareholders wonít want the rest of the group to spend a cent propping up international. The government may seriously have to look at some kind of arrangement to prop it up if it is to survive
The other option is to let it fail and that would be no good for any Australian.
QF International was pretty small pre-COVID. The 787ís are all now flying and a bunch of A330ís. They lost quite a few to VR, ER and LWOP. Be interesting to know the numbers they still have, probably not too far from a stable part-time workforce apart from the A380.

As long as things donít go backwards but continue a slow pace forward, there would be no reason to get rid of International. The 787 and A330 flying is only going to increase and they have the option to use them domestically as well.

Another round of VR would have a good take up I would think.
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Old 18th Apr 2021, 11:05
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No VR on the horizon for now
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Old 18th Apr 2021, 13:26
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Borders opening is Ďwhení, not Ďifí and itíll be well before the end of next year.

I reckon when they hit the 60% mark theyíll set a date 6 months in the future beyond that and tell the other 40% of the population they have that long to be vaccinated because after that the borders are open.

I also reckon we may have a phased start up. Singapore and Japan could be by years end or potentially earlier- especially in Singaporeís case. My guess is the borders to the USA will be opening around March/ April next year. The UK if they end up with everyone vaccinated and nil transmission could end up open by this Christmas with some minor restrictions for them to isolate upon arrival for a few days until negative test is confirmed. Manila perhaps not for a couple of years.

Depends a bit on how successful the vaccine is in stopping transmission. If it significantly decreases it AND it stops severe Covid AND most of the populations is vaccinated, why would there be any restrictions at all?

As to QF crew numbers, I reckon QF have worked out how to do the minimum and how to hibernate everything. The scenario that is probably giving them nightmares at the moment is if demand roars back. With long lead times required for the A380 to get aeroplanes and crew up to speed itíd take 12 months plus to get all 12 jets back in the air. I reckon they could do 3-4 in four months. 6 Jets in about 9 months. The remaining six would probably take another 6 months on top of that.
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Old 18th Apr 2021, 21:31
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Removed pending phone call....

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Old 18th Apr 2021, 22:03
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The Union is completely lame. We didnít use the power of collective bargaining when we had it. We allowed the company to bypass the Union entirely in the last EBA vote.

The company ignored the Union when we had something to bargain with. Why on earth would the company listen to them when we have absolutely nothing to bargain with? They arenít even pursuing EBA variations anymore.
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Old 18th Apr 2021, 22:25
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Originally Posted by goodonyamate View Post
Does anyone know what the ‘new’ AIPA execs position is on 380 crew? QF will not deviate from their
position, that being the trigger for 380 crew to be paid is when the 380 is back, ie Nov 2023. Understandably, there are 380 crew pretty annoyed about this, and as one caller put it on the last webinar, this is a ‘seniority based award’. I might have mis interpreted his position, but the assertion that we are all ‘LH pilots’ seemed to me like a question of ‘why can’t we the senior crew take the seats of those the junior crew’. Where does AIPA stand on this? For all the talk by the G20 of a lack of transparency from the previous exec, I can’t say I’m at all impressed with the new regime. TBH on on the edge of leaving AIPA. Anecdotally I’m told there is still some work going on to see if it is legally possible to bump junior crew. I hope this is incorrect, but for all their talk, I find their transparency completely non existent! Anyone?
Don’t need AIPA to sort this one out.

Come the time when slots are advertised, and they will, A380 crew have every right to bid for them. In most cases their seniority will win them the slot. The company cannot knock them back.....it’s the award, sorry EA.

How can the company argue no useful work in that case?
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Old 18th Apr 2021, 22:26
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Has AIPA ever been transparent? Every group that leads a charge for a take-over promising bluer skies under delivers just as much as the last.
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Old 18th Apr 2021, 22:42
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Old 18th Apr 2021, 22:50
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Originally Posted by goodonyamate View Post
I almost feel guilty for feeling this way about AIPA as I know there are some fantastic people who really do work hard for others to their own detriment. However I canít help feel like it is back to being a LH pilots union.
re bidding for slots, I agree. However it is unlikely the trigger for SH training will be met anytime soon. Iím told hours nextbrister vary between bases from mid 50ís. There is also no requirement for the company to allow LH crew to bid back for anything that isnít a promotion. I canít see them allowing a back bid if they truly believe the 380 will be needed, due to cascading training etc.

this is just a sh$t sandwich.
Agreed. Now that Iím emptying my leave bank, Iím looking closely at leaving AIPA until Iím back at work. Nothing political, but if Iím out of work for the next two years I need all the money I can get.
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Old 18th Apr 2021, 23:59
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Associate membership available for those not drawing an income from QF. $20/ month. I appreciate that for some even this is a bridge too far at the moment.
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Old 20th Apr 2021, 23:02
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https://australianaviation.com.au/20...m-its-academy/
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Old 21st Apr 2021, 01:26
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Well that was the plan all along.
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Old 21st Apr 2021, 01:50
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Originally Posted by Global Aviator View Post
Well that was the plan all along.
Absolutely. No surprise that an airline chooses to employ recruits from itís own academy.

Fantastic news after the year weíve had that recruitment is starting again. Hopefully more of it to come.
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Old 21st Apr 2021, 02:01
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Originally Posted by Global Aviator View Post
Well that was the plan all along.
Applications for 36 month secondments from inside the group are open too, I think they close today actually.
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Old 21st Apr 2021, 12:36
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So I guess the academy needs more students? Nobody will sign up if they don't think there is Qantas group job at the end.

I'm also guessing they will hire based on what looks good for PR purposes?
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