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Old 10th Sep 2020, 21:31
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Weird all these people complaining about queensland border rules, scummo comes onto national TV with crocadile tears for about how he personally asked for an exemption for someone. Completely ommitting that he is preventing australians returning to australia. I know someone who missed the last weeks with his mother life and her funeral because the national border laws which are his domain is preventing thousands of australians return

Its all politics, like tom hanks he has had covid why is he quarantining again then, why because its the rules

Its wierd that suddenly NSW gives a **** about a QLD after years of putting **** on it for being the "redneck state" and now they all want to come here,
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Not sure where you have been living for the last few decades but QLD has always been popular with NSW, Victorians so yes we do want it open. You are very correct it is the redneck state that’s why we like to just visit for short amounts of time But never want to live there.
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Old 10th Sep 2020, 22:20
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Originally Posted by Ragnor
Not sure where you have been living for the last few decades but QLD has always been popular with NSW, Victorians so yes we do want it open. You are very correct it is the redneck state that’s why we like to just visit for short amounts of time But never want to live there.
Lots of NSW & VIC residents couldnt care less if it never opens again.
Her day will come,just sit back & watch.
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Unfortunately as has been mentioned by another poster it’s the “the red neck state” she will have brain washed them all. I think she will win Oct 31st.
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Old 10th Sep 2020, 22:51
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Her ministers are jumping ship. It’s obvious they don’t think she will win.
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Her intellect is even less than I would have imagined. Pulling the bullying card, what a crock!

Bet she regrets stepping up to the big league.
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Old 10th Sep 2020, 23:27
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Victorian support for Dan has all but collapsed:

https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...7eeeb9de8f8e67

QLD Labor would be paying close attention...
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Old 10th Sep 2020, 23:30
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Originally Posted by Maggie Island
Victorian support for Dan has all but collapsed:

https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...7eeeb9de8f8e67

QLD Labor would be paying close attention...
Problem is the Victorian election is over 2 years away, and he knows it.
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Old 10th Sep 2020, 23:36
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Originally Posted by Maggie Island
Victorian support for Dan has all but collapsed:

https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...7eeeb9de8f8e67

QLD Labor would be paying close attention...
The next Vic state election isn't until Nov 2022.

I doubt he's jumping at shadows about a poll over 2 years from an election.

I think he'll lose that election but that should be based on the bungling of hotel quarantine, not the steady easing of restrictions which, while unpopular, is our best chance of avoiding a third wave.
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Old 11th Sep 2020, 00:25
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Originally Posted by Maggie Island
Victorian support for Dan has all but collapsed:
Very interesting that a poll commissioned specifically for the Vic State Liberal Party shows that, whilst another poll today from prominent pollster Roy Morgan shows Dan Andrews at 70% approval rating:

70% of Victorians approve of the way Premier Andrews is handling his job

Interesting that even LNP voters are giving Dan a slightly less than majority approval. A majority want the curfew, the restaurant takeaway, the 5km restrictions to remain, although a slight majority wish to see an exemption to visit immediate families.

This poll shows Dan’s approval rating is even slightly higher than Scott Morrison’s was last week.

I find it hillarious that even after the vitriol on here and in certain parts of the media directed at the Labor state government they’re mostly holding up and solid, whereas the NSW State Coalition government, which people here and in the media tell me is doing the best job and is so good, almost collapsed yesterday because they couldn’t agree on whether or not slaughtering koalas en masse is a bad thing?!

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As each day passes, the Sweden model looks like it was the more rational option. Let’s also not forget that Covid is not Ebola. Listening to the media, you’d be forgiven for thinking they were one and the same.
Sweden had/has NON voluntary recommendations. Including no travel until recently.

Current are:-As of 29 March, the Swedish Government has decided to ban all public gatherings and events with more than 50 people. The aim with this legislation is to prevent situations where large numbers of people from different parts of the country come together in the same place.

Examples of public gatherings and events are demonstrations, seminars, religious gatherings, theatre performances and concerts. Sports events, dances and fairs are other examples.



On 1 April, the Public Health Agency issued regulations and general guidelines regarding our shared responsibility to prevent transmission of COVID-19. Everyone has a personal responsibility to prevent transmission. You should avoid any large social gathering such as parties, weddings, funerals and other events attracting many people at the same time.

It is also of utmost importance to keep a distance from others at e.g. sports grounds, gyms, shopping centers, public transportation etc. People older than 70 should limit all close contacts with others.

Prior to all events and public gatherings, the Public Health Agency recommends that the organisers do a risk assessment.



According to the general guidelines published by the Public Health Agency, public transport operators should:
  • provide enough services to avoid crowding,
  • limit the number of passengers per vehicle, and
  • inform their passengers about how to minimise the risk of disease transmission.
Businesses and organisations in Sweden must take note of the recommendations of the Public Health Agency of Sweden or County Medical Officers and do what they can to prevent the spread of COVID-19. This means that:
  • Shops and shopping centres must do what they can to limit the number of people on their premises at any one time. They should come up with alternative arrangements for checkout queues and advise customers how far apart they need to stand
  • Employers can also ease the situation for their employees by:
    - supporting employees who are on sick leave. Anyone confirmed positive with COVID-19 should stay at home for at least seven days after falling ill. Before returning to work one should have completely recovered and have had at least two days with no fever.
    - adapting the workplace so that staff are not at risk of infection
    - arranging for the staff to be able from keep a physical distance to each other
    - making it possible for staff to regularly wash their hands with water and soap or use alcohol-based hand rub.
    - making it possible for staff to work at home where possible
    - adjusting working hours so that staff can avoid travelling in the rush hour
  • Associations and clubs should postpone annual meetings and other similar meetings if possible, or hold meetings digitally.
It is important to keep a physical distance from other people, both indoors and outdoors where people gather, e.g. restaurants, shopping centres, bathing places, beaches, camping sites and open-air cafés and restaurants



As from 14 June activities such as sports games, matches and tournaments without spectators will be permitted for all ages. The decision applies to all professional sports, at all levels, for both men and women. However, there are certain conditions to take into account. Tournaments should
  • primarily be held outdoors
  • comply with the legislation in the Public Order Act chapter 2, section 1-3 §§ regarding public gatherings which are limited to 50 people. Further information is available from the Swedish Police (in Swedish).
  • limit the number of spectators and avoid crowding
  • only permit close contact considered unavoidable in order to be able to practise the respective sport.
It is important that both participants and spectators are free of any symptoms.

For all other exercise and sports activities the same rules as before are applicable, i.e. these activities can continue, but the one responsible for the activity must take action to minimise the risk of transmission of COVID-19.

You are allowed to travel within Sweden in connection with sports games, tournaments and other sports activities. However, it is of utmost importance to keep a distance from others and to follow the general guidelines concerning travel within Sweden.



Restaurants, bars, and cafés around the country need to take special precaution regarding the risk of crowding of people in queues, around tables, and at buffets or bars. Visitors must be able to keep at a distance from each other.

All visitors should sit at tables when they eat or drink, they are not allowed to stand at a bar or similar. Staff should serve food and drinks at the tables. Unless it creates queues or crowding, guests may order and pick up their food at a counter. Take-outs can be handled as usual, as long as it does not lead to crowding or close contact between people.

The person in charge of the venue is responsible for maintaining routines minimising the risk of disease transmission. This can for example include local guidelines about access to hand washing facilities (soap and running water) for staff and guests.



Businesses and organisations in Sweden must take note of the recommendations of the Public Health Agency of Sweden or County Medical Officers and do what they can to prevent the spread of COVID-19. This means that:
  • Shops and shopping centres must do what they can to limit the number of people on their premises at any one time. They should come up with alternative arrangements for checkout queues and advise customers how far apart they need to stand.
  • Employers can also ease the situation for their employees by:
    – supporting employees who are on sick leave. Anyone confirmed positive with COVID-19 should stay at home for at least seven days after falling ill. Before returning to work one should have completely recovered and have had at least two days with no fever.
    – adapting the workplace so that staff are not at risk of infection
    – arranging for the staff to be able to keep a physical distance from each other
    – making it possible for staff to regularly wash their hands with water and soap or use alcohol-based hand rub
    – making it possible for staff to work at home where possible
    – adjusting working hours so that staff can avoid travelling in the rush hour
  • Associations and clubs should postpone annual meetings and other similar meetings if possible, or hold meetings digitally.
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And with that, they've achieved 86,200 cases, 5,850 deaths against a population of 10,100,000. That works out to 0.85% of the population infected and 0.05% of the population dying from it.

Applying those percentages to Australia's 25.5M population and you'd get: 217,000 cases and 14,772 deaths. Now, the statistical value of a human life is ~$4.6M AUD, so the statistical value of those deaths is only $67.9B AUD. I say "only" because the financial damage of the Government response to COVID is well over $100 Billion dollars so far. And it's still doing up... And that's not including the "human toll" families locked out of funerals, the mother who lost her unborn baby, the FIFO's (like me) who are on the cusp of losing their jobs because they are locked out of the state they work in, the small businesses and cafes who will go under...

But, hang on a minute, doesn't Australia still allow tobacco smoking? Which causes lung cancer? Which is almost entirely preventable by not smoking? In 2019, there were 8,684 deaths from Lung or Bronchial cancer. Almost all of which could have been prevented by banning tobacco.

Reckon they'll do it?
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Sweden Mindel may not be the best. Australia has low to zero casss but yet we close our entire country off to each other it’s pure madness. Australia should be open to all within Australia. Victoria understandably remain **** off but get them open ASAP. Put the job advert up for contact tracers increase that work group give them all the resources they need. We are killing our country each week this goes on
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Old 11th Sep 2020, 00:50
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Originally Posted by Ragnor
Victoria understandably remain ****....
I love a good typo!
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Old 11th Sep 2020, 00:51
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Sweden Mindel may not be the best. Australia has low to zero casss but yet we close our entire country off to each other it’s pure madness. Australia should be open to all within Australia. Victoria understandably remain **** off but get them open ASAP. Put the job advert up for contact tracers increase that work group give them all the resources they need. We are killing our country each week this goes on
And if NSW is successful, that's probably what we'll do.
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And with that, they've achieved 86,200 cases, 5,850 deaths against a population of 10,100,000. That works out to 0.85% of the population infected and 0.05% of the population dying from it.

Applying those percentages to Australia's 25.5M population and you'd get: 217,000 cases and 14,772 deaths. Now, the statistical value of a human life is ~$4.6M AUD, so the statistical value of those deaths is only $67.9B AUD. I say "only" because the financial damage of the Government response to COVID is well over $100 Billion dollars so far. And it's still doing up... And that's not including the "human toll" families locked out of funerals, the mother who lost her unborn baby, the FIFO's (like me) who are on the cusp of losing their jobs because they are locked out of the state they work in, the small businesses and cafes who will go under...

But, hang on a minute, doesn't Australia still allow tobacco smoking? Which causes lung cancer? Which is almost entirely preventable by not smoking? In 2019, there were 8,684 deaths from Lung or Bronchial cancer. Almost all of which could have been prevented by banning tobacco.

Reckon they'll do it?
Only Sweden have just ramped up testing, many early deaths were not tested.

$4.6m is on a normal day - it takes one woman nine months to create a baby, how long does it take nine women?

Guns in Australia were/are pretty much banned - it did reduce mass shootings.
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Completely ommitting that he is preventing australians returning to australia. I know someone who missed the last weeks with his mother life and her funeral because the national border laws which are his domain is preventing thousands of australians return
Need to dig a bit deeper.
The number of people allowed in each State from overseas is set by the States, not the Feds.
The excuse is that they do not have enough hotel accommodation to quarantine greater numbers.


By Kelsie Iorio
Posted Thursday 9 July 2020 at 7:26am

This comes after the Victorian Government requested international arrivals be diverted away from Melbourne while it manages an ongoing rise in cases, the WA Government moved to limit people returning to Perth from overseas to 525 a week, and NSW also arranged a cap on international arrivals at the request of the State Government.
The number of Australian citizens and residents allowed into the country will be slashed to ease pressure on state and territory coronavirus quarantine systems and free up resources to contain the COVID-19 outbreak in Melbourne.

Key points:

  • The number of people allowed into Australia each week will be reduced to 4,000
  • All jurisdictions will move towards charging people the cost of mandatory quarantine
  • It is hoped the reduction will ease the hotel quarantine burden on states and territories
National Cabinet has agreed to cut the number of people coming home to Australia from approximately 7,000 to just over 4,000 each week, which amounts to a reduction of about a third, according to Prime Minister Scott Morrison.

States and territories have complained of the burden of hosting returning Australian residents and citizens in hotel quarantine, with Mr Morrison flagging earlier this week that a limit would be introduced.

"We agreed today to a reduction in the number of inbound arrivals into Australia across those ports that are able to accept returning Australian citizens and residents," Mr Morrison said after National Cabinet met this morning.
It is not confined to Oz,
Neighboring New Zealand introduced measures earlier this week to limit the number of citizens returning home to reduce the burden on its overflowing quarantine facilities.
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Only Sweden have just ramped up testing, many early deaths were not tested.
Ok, then let's look at the Seppo's: 6,587,971 total cases & 196,303 deaths against a population of 328,200,000. 2.00% infected and 0.06% dying from it. If you don't like the Seppo's, pick any country you like and run the same numbers. Here's the UK too: 358,138 Cases, 41,608 deaths against a population of 66,650,000. 0.54% Infected, 0.06% of their population died "from COVID". Maybe another "random-big numbers country" might help seal the deal: Brazil: 4,239,763 cases, 129,575 deaths against a population of 212,559,000. 1.99% infected, 0.06% dying from it. Or WITH COVID might be a more appropriate moniker.

That 0.06% Of Australian's would be 15,300 deaths.
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$4.6m is on a normal day
Yep, for a notional "average working Aussie". Except the problem is, most of those dying from COVID are not "normal working Aussies", they are "elderly, retired Aussies with Co-Morbidities" and as such, would be "valued" at less, thereby rendering the opening of the economy even more important on a cost/benefit ratio.

EDIT: Just found a newly-released guidance note from the Dept of PM & Cabinet, it's now $4.9M, but also $213,000 per "life year". If someone want's to plug the average age of our COVID fatalities into Excel vs the Average age of death in Australia you might be alarmed at the cost/benefit ratio. IT makes CASA's reasoning to AD's etc look like the Gold-standard!

EDIT 2: Fixed the quote attribution

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because they couldn’t agree on whether or not slaughtering koalas en masse is a bad thing?!
Seriously?
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Old 11th Sep 2020, 01:29
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$4.6m is on a normal day - it takes one woman nine months to create a baby, how long does it take nine women?
I love these brain teasers. "9 months?"
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