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Old 10th Sep 2020, 12:41
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Originally Posted by Joker89 View Post
I’m going to respectfully disagree. I think public service is more susceptible to corruption. Anyway, your point that you can’t believe anyone holds true. Hence just follow the statistics and formulate ones own opinion on the state of play.
I too find myself referring more and more to government websites, source documents and scientific papers.

The difference between those and what appears in the media is disappointing to say the least.
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Old 10th Sep 2020, 15:01
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I am afraid that our CMO let the cat out of the bag.

Queensland health chief officer admits heartless reason for double standard that sees A-listers and sports stars allowed to bypass border closure while grieving families suffer

  • AFL players and officials allowed into the state to plan for upcoming Grand Final
  • US actor Tom Hanks and a film crew can also isolate in luxury Gold Coast hotel
  • State's chief medical officer said entertainment industry brings money to state
  • 'We need every single dollar in our state,' she said in Thursday press conference
  • Meanwhile, Sarah Caisip applied last month to visit her sick father in Brisbane
  • Ms Caisip was banned from attending funeral and only granted a private viewing
  • Have you been affected by border closures? Email [email protected]
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Old 10th Sep 2020, 16:15
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I really feel for the CHO and Premier when it comes to non-quarantined requests to attend a funeral.

If you say NO you will be heartless. But if you say YES, well, we all know how likely “social distancing” is expected to succeed at a funeral.

A single COVID case at a funeral could easily become 50-100 in a day, and next you know it, you have Melbourne in July. There are usually a lot of elderly and vulnerable people at a funeral. So you, as Premier, or CHO, will get to feel like Dan for the next 6 months at least, because you gave her an exemption.
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Old 10th Sep 2020, 16:23
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Originally Posted by Derfred View Post
I really feel for the CHO and Premier when it comes to non-quarantined requests to attend a funeral.

If you say NO you will be heartless. But if you say YES, we’ll, we all know how likely “social distancing” is expected to succeed at a funeral.

A single COVID case at a funeral could easily become 50-100 in a day, and next you know it, you have Melbourne in July. There are usually a lot of elderly and vulnerable people at a funeral. So you, as Premier, or CHO, will get to feel like Dan for the next 6 months at least, because you gave her an exemption.
Yeah. True. Unless, of course, it’s a “very significant“ funeral.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-...icant/12132614
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Old 10th Sep 2020, 16:28
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Originally Posted by Joker89 View Post
I’m going to respectfully disagree. I think public service is more susceptible to corruption. Anyway, your point that you can’t believe anyone holds true. Hence just follow the statistics and formulate ones own opinion on the state of play.
Yep. Been there, seen it, bought the T shirt!
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Old 10th Sep 2020, 16:33
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Originally Posted by rcoight View Post
Yeah. True. Unless, of course, it’s a “very significant“ funeral.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-...icant/12132614
I guess the “crossing state border from a hot zone without quarantine” factor was not involved in that one.

But your point is well noted. Poor form.
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Old 10th Sep 2020, 20:56
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What’s the QLD definition of a hotspot? ACT has a better record than QLD. All because 1 person from NSW flew from Canberra into Brisbane. But you can sail a super yacht from Melbourne for maintenance that could be done in Melbourne, lie on the paperwork about not stopping anywhere and be allowed to stay.
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Old 10th Sep 2020, 21:12
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As each day passes, the Sweden model looks like it was the more rational option. Let’s also not forget that Covid is not Ebola. Listening to the media, you’d be forgiven for thinking they were one and the same.
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Old 10th Sep 2020, 21:27
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Seems Queen P house is falling down around her receiving a flogging in the media today, Queen P wouldn't allow CMO to do a conference without her as thats her spot on the TV but now CMO stands alone at press conference to take the heat, 3 ministers quit. The thing that gets me our PM has allegedly had a phone call to plead to QLD to allow a daughter attend a funeral who comes from ACT (over 60 days without a case) and she reverts to "I'm being bullied" seems she cant handle the heat. Then for the ultimate slap in the face admits to giving the wealthy special treatment Tom hanks brings nothing to Australia really but "because we need the money"! open your border let the business operate to what they were.

QLD GOV is a disgrace to our nation, another family had to get a Go Fund Me page going so they could pay for the quarantine to see their dying son, this is having real effects on peoples lives.

Coronavirus Australia: Queensland’s border rules cruel, hypocritical state … unless you’re Tom Hanks

Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk welcomes the AFL grand final – and more than 400 hangers-on, to Queensland, left. 'Crew' aboard Victorian Mark Simonds' superyacht sail in against the rules, but can stay, top. Meanwhile, the borders are policed, and requests for exemptions to attend funerals denied. Pictures: News Corp/Channel 9/News CorpAh, Queensland.

Outrageously hypocritical one day. Horrendously cruel the next.

How else to explain decisions being made around the NSW border – which, by the way, is open to Queenslanders.

They are welcome in Byron, and in Bondi.

No quarantine required. Just come on down.

But just try being getting into Queensland, henceforth, the callous state.

Ray Hadley has been leading the charge on this, on radio 2GB in Sydney.

Yesterday, he had a man who is 39 years old, and dying from cancer. He lives in Brisbane.

His four children, aged seven to 13, live with their Mum, across the border in NSW.

They want to see their dad before he dies.

Permission denied.

Denied!

Scott Morrison tried to intervene. He is an evangelical Christian, but you don’t have to be, to ask for mercy in this case.

Okay, said Queensland. One of the children can come over the border, and he’ll be driven to his father’s beside to say goodbye for one hour, and then it’s back to NSW with him.

And why?

Nobody can explain it.
Traffic at the NSW-Queensland border. Picture: Jason O'BrienCovid is not rampant in NSW. What are the chances of this man’s children having it and spreading it? Minuscule.

Then, today, another case: Sarah is 26 years old, and she was raised in Queensland, but now lives in Canberra.

Her father was dying.

She applied for permission to see him before he died.

She didn’t get her exemption until Friday. It was too late. He died on Wednesday. So she won‘t ever see him again.

Well, at least she could go to the funeral, and be with her family, and pay her respects.

She took her exemption paperwork and went to Brisbane, and straight into hotel quarantine.

From there, she applied for an hour’s release to attend the funeral.

Denied!

But not just denied: the bureaucrat in charge told her she shouldn’t even be in Queensland. Why not?

Because the exemption was to visit her dying father. And he’s dead, so, you know, what are you even doing here?

The inhumanity boggles the mind.

Again, there is essentially no Covid in Canberra. What chance that she’s infected? None. Why can’t she quarantine with her family? Distance herself at the funeral for an hour?
The Lady Pamela at a Gold Coast marina after millionaire construction magnate Mark Simonds and his family sailed her up from Melbourne for maintenance. They were fined and quarantined, but they can stay. Picture: News CorpPeople are carrying on like the rest of the country has been to Chernobyl. Like everyone else is toxic. But we know that‘s not actually the case.

Which brings us to the shocking hypocrisy.

Tom Hanks flew into Queensland this week. He’s not in hotel quarantine. He came on a private jet. So if you’re famous, in you go.

It also helps to be rich.

We all know the story of the millionaire family from Victoria who sailed up to Queensland on a luxury yacht, saying the boat needed maintenance.

They hopped off at Eden to get coffee. They weren‘t crew, as they claimed, but a man, his wife, their kids, and a friend, who is Lindsay Fox’s daughter.

They were fined, and forced into quarantine, but they’ve been allowed to stay in Queensland, which was of course their goal.

And why? One of them is a major sponsor of the Geelong Cats.

They want to go to the footy.
The AFL’s Gold Coast hotel quarantine bubble. Picture: SuppliedSpeaking of footy, who are all the people allowed into Queensland, on the guise of being with the AFL?

We’ve been told that James Sutherland – former boss of Cricket Australia – is there.

How did he get an exemption to travel? He is on the board of the Geelong Football Club. And he’s apparently got “experience with touring sports teams.”

There are a heap of wives, kids, support staff, hangers-on as well.

Ah yes.

If only you were the second cousin of an AFL commissioner’s son, you too could be in Queensland. Beautiful one day, acts of beastly cruelty the next.

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Old 10th Sep 2020, 22:31
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Weird all these people complaining about queensland border rules, scummo comes onto national TV with crocadile tears for about how he personally asked for an exemption for someone. Completely ommitting that he is preventing australians returning to australia. I know someone who missed the last weeks with his mother life and her funeral because the national border laws which are his domain is preventing thousands of australians return

Its all politics, like tom hanks he has had covid why is he quarantining again then, why because its the rules

Its wierd that suddenly NSW gives a shit about a QLD after years of putting shit on it for being the "redneck state" and now they all want to come here,
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Old 10th Sep 2020, 23:10
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Not sure where you have been living for the last few decades but QLD has always been popular with NSW, Victorians so yes we do want it open. You are very correct it is the redneck state that’s why we like to just visit for short amounts of time But never want to live there.
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Old 10th Sep 2020, 23:20
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Originally Posted by Ragnor View Post
Not sure where you have been living for the last few decades but QLD has always been popular with NSW, Victorians so yes we do want it open. You are very correct it is the redneck state that’s why we like to just visit for short amounts of time But never want to live there.
Lots of NSW & VIC residents couldnt care less if it never opens again.
Her day will come,just sit back & watch.
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Old 10th Sep 2020, 23:48
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Unfortunately as has been mentioned by another poster it’s the “the red neck state” she will have brain washed them all. I think she will win Oct 31st.
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Old 10th Sep 2020, 23:51
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Her ministers are jumping ship. It’s obvious they don’t think she will win.
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Old 11th Sep 2020, 00:27
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Her intellect is even less than I would have imagined. Pulling the bullying card, what a crock!

Bet she regrets stepping up to the big league.
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Old 11th Sep 2020, 00:27
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Victorian support for Dan has all but collapsed:

https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...7eeeb9de8f8e67

QLD Labor would be paying close attention...
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Old 11th Sep 2020, 00:30
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Originally Posted by Maggie Island View Post
Victorian support for Dan has all but collapsed:

https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...7eeeb9de8f8e67

QLD Labor would be paying close attention...
Problem is the Victorian election is over 2 years away, and he knows it.
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Old 11th Sep 2020, 00:36
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Originally Posted by Maggie Island View Post
Victorian support for Dan has all but collapsed:

https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...7eeeb9de8f8e67

QLD Labor would be paying close attention...
The next Vic state election isn't until Nov 2022.

I doubt he's jumping at shadows about a poll over 2 years from an election.

I think he'll lose that election but that should be based on the bungling of hotel quarantine, not the steady easing of restrictions which, while unpopular, is our best chance of avoiding a third wave.
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Old 11th Sep 2020, 01:25
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Victorian support for Dan has all but collapsed:
Very interesting that a poll commissioned specifically for the Vic State Liberal Party shows that, whilst another poll today from prominent pollster Roy Morgan shows Dan Andrews at 70% approval rating:

70% of Victorians approve of the way Premier Andrews is handling his job

Interesting that even LNP voters are giving Dan a slightly less than majority approval. A majority want the curfew, the restaurant takeaway, the 5km restrictions to remain, although a slight majority wish to see an exemption to visit immediate families.

This poll shows Dan’s approval rating is even slightly higher than Scott Morrison’s was last week.

I find it hillarious that even after the vitriol on here and in certain parts of the media directed at the Labor state government they’re mostly holding up and solid, whereas the NSW State Coalition government, which people here and in the media tell me is doing the best job and is so good, almost collapsed yesterday because they couldn’t agree on whether or not slaughtering koalas en masse is a bad thing?!

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Old 11th Sep 2020, 01:31
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As each day passes, the Sweden model looks like it was the more rational option. Let’s also not forget that Covid is not Ebola. Listening to the media, you’d be forgiven for thinking they were one and the same.
Sweden had/has NON voluntary recommendations. Including no travel until recently.

Current are:-As of 29 March, the Swedish Government has decided to ban all public gatherings and events with more than 50 people. The aim with this legislation is to prevent situations where large numbers of people from different parts of the country come together in the same place.

Examples of public gatherings and events are demonstrations, seminars, religious gatherings, theatre performances and concerts. Sports events, dances and fairs are other examples.



On 1 April, the Public Health Agency issued regulations and general guidelines regarding our shared responsibility to prevent transmission of COVID-19. Everyone has a personal responsibility to prevent transmission. You should avoid any large social gathering such as parties, weddings, funerals and other events attracting many people at the same time.

It is also of utmost importance to keep a distance from others at e.g. sports grounds, gyms, shopping centers, public transportation etc. People older than 70 should limit all close contacts with others.

Prior to all events and public gatherings, the Public Health Agency recommends that the organisers do a risk assessment.



According to the general guidelines published by the Public Health Agency, public transport operators should:
  • provide enough services to avoid crowding,
  • limit the number of passengers per vehicle, and
  • inform their passengers about how to minimise the risk of disease transmission.
Businesses and organisations in Sweden must take note of the recommendations of the Public Health Agency of Sweden or County Medical Officers and do what they can to prevent the spread of COVID-19. This means that:
  • Shops and shopping centres must do what they can to limit the number of people on their premises at any one time. They should come up with alternative arrangements for checkout queues and advise customers how far apart they need to stand
  • Employers can also ease the situation for their employees by:
    - supporting employees who are on sick leave. Anyone confirmed positive with COVID-19 should stay at home for at least seven days after falling ill. Before returning to work one should have completely recovered and have had at least two days with no fever.
    - adapting the workplace so that staff are not at risk of infection
    - arranging for the staff to be able from keep a physical distance to each other
    - making it possible for staff to regularly wash their hands with water and soap or use alcohol-based hand rub.
    - making it possible for staff to work at home where possible
    - adjusting working hours so that staff can avoid travelling in the rush hour
  • Associations and clubs should postpone annual meetings and other similar meetings if possible, or hold meetings digitally.
It is important to keep a physical distance from other people, both indoors and outdoors where people gather, e.g. restaurants, shopping centres, bathing places, beaches, camping sites and open-air cafés and restaurants



As from 14 June activities such as sports games, matches and tournaments without spectators will be permitted for all ages. The decision applies to all professional sports, at all levels, for both men and women. However, there are certain conditions to take into account. Tournaments should
  • primarily be held outdoors
  • comply with the legislation in the Public Order Act chapter 2, section 1-3 §§ regarding public gatherings which are limited to 50 people. Further information is available from the Swedish Police (in Swedish).
  • limit the number of spectators and avoid crowding
  • only permit close contact considered unavoidable in order to be able to practise the respective sport.
It is important that both participants and spectators are free of any symptoms.

For all other exercise and sports activities the same rules as before are applicable, i.e. these activities can continue, but the one responsible for the activity must take action to minimise the risk of transmission of COVID-19.

You are allowed to travel within Sweden in connection with sports games, tournaments and other sports activities. However, it is of utmost importance to keep a distance from others and to follow the general guidelines concerning travel within Sweden.



Restaurants, bars, and cafés around the country need to take special precaution regarding the risk of crowding of people in queues, around tables, and at buffets or bars. Visitors must be able to keep at a distance from each other.

All visitors should sit at tables when they eat or drink, they are not allowed to stand at a bar or similar. Staff should serve food and drinks at the tables. Unless it creates queues or crowding, guests may order and pick up their food at a counter. Take-outs can be handled as usual, as long as it does not lead to crowding or close contact between people.

The person in charge of the venue is responsible for maintaining routines minimising the risk of disease transmission. This can for example include local guidelines about access to hand washing facilities (soap and running water) for staff and guests.



Businesses and organisations in Sweden must take note of the recommendations of the Public Health Agency of Sweden or County Medical Officers and do what they can to prevent the spread of COVID-19. This means that:
  • Shops and shopping centres must do what they can to limit the number of people on their premises at any one time. They should come up with alternative arrangements for checkout queues and advise customers how far apart they need to stand.
  • Employers can also ease the situation for their employees by:
    – supporting employees who are on sick leave. Anyone confirmed positive with COVID-19 should stay at home for at least seven days after falling ill. Before returning to work one should have completely recovered and have had at least two days with no fever.
    – adapting the workplace so that staff are not at risk of infection
    – arranging for the staff to be able to keep a physical distance from each other
    – making it possible for staff to regularly wash their hands with water and soap or use alcohol-based hand rub
    – making it possible for staff to work at home where possible
    – adjusting working hours so that staff can avoid travelling in the rush hour
  • Associations and clubs should postpone annual meetings and other similar meetings if possible, or hold meetings digitally.
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