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Old 7th Sep 2020, 07:08
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Originally Posted by Stickshift3000 View Post
I might be a bit naive - how can the police check whether you've exercising for greater than 1 hour?

Their eyes in the sky yes (police drones in Vic), but that's a helluva pricey resource to use to track someone for an hour.
Don't know. I'm not a mobile phone savvy expert though would leaving mobile data on do anything to do with it.
Anyway checks were happening really don't know how they would police it either.
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Old 7th Sep 2020, 07:13
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Originally Posted by Stickshift3000 View Post
I might be a bit naive - how can the police check whether you've exercising for greater than 1 hour?

Their eyes in the sky yes (police drones in Vic), but that's a helluva pricey resource to use to track someone for an hour.
Don't need that Caravan or whatever they had tooling about above Melbourne Sans-ADSB/Lights etc a couple years ago. They've got a swag of mobile CCTV trailers that link back to wherever they monitor them. I don't trust the DM as much as I can throw them, but they have a story on it today.

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Victoria Police have confirmed the units are deployed in other areas in Melbourne but would not reveal how many units there are or their locations.

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Old 7th Sep 2020, 08:13
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Originally Posted by Turnleft080 View Post
Regarding Sydney cases right now if they were under the Melbourne model, Sydney would be in curfew as well.
Next step by 28th Sept (30-50 cases average for 14 day period), possible.
Next step by 26th Oct (< 5 cases average for a 14 day period), unlikely.
Next step by 23rd Nov ( ZERO cases for a 28 day period not just Vic but other states for covid normal), impossible.
Feed this wonderful supercomputer trash and with zero economic consultation and you will
not get a road map out, but a dark alley to suicide.
As I said just about every month, the scary thing is not the virus the scary thing is how governments react to it. Right now Dan is scary.
I think putting hard and fast number targets on when restrictions will be eased is possibly the worst thing that could be done.. imagine if things are going well leading up to the 26th of October, 5 million people are getting ready to step outside and then you are the 6th positive test that day and it ruin it all for everyone for another 2 weeks.

Donít forget, these are the same people who took 3-4 days to get tested when they had symptoms, and then went back to work for 48 hrs while waiting for results. Donít be surprised if they pass up the opportunity to test when theyíre feeling unwell if they know a positive test could prevent the end of lockdowns.

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Old 7th Sep 2020, 09:03
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Originally Posted by Xeptu View Post
I really feel for you guys in VIC right now, you must be hating life, it gets real when they announce single people living alone can have one whole visitor in their homes. The worst we have here is we have to sit down at the pub and not eat meals at the bar, where drinks are served. We did go through the whole stay at home order in the beginning but even then was still allowed out to exercise and go to the supermarket. I wouldn't want to reside in a high rise apartment in VIC right now.
All Melbourne residents can go out for essential activities (including grocery shopping, post office, chemists) plus 1 hour of exercise a day. I'm usually out of the house for this stuff for 2+ hours a day...
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Old 7th Sep 2020, 09:08
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Originally Posted by KRviator View Post

These are usually set up in Vic to deter car break ins or thefts (as the pic of the car park implies), or simply to imply a police presence.

Not something to be worried about by the general public really, but there are always a few people that want to vent about something.
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Old 7th Sep 2020, 11:40
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Originally Posted by Stickshift3000 View Post
All Melbourne residents can go out for essential activities (including grocery shopping, post office, chemists) plus 1 hour of exercise a day. I'm usually out of the house for this stuff for 2+ hours a day...
Thanks for the perspective from someone on the ground. It's hard to know what is true and what is not with what the media report. I'm glad you're doing ok
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Old 7th Sep 2020, 13:16
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QandA was good tonight, The clear message that came out of that was that we need clarity on what the various criteria is for, International Borders, State Borders, those regions close to or cross the state borders. I think the federal government needs to define what the criteria is for the International Borders first so that the rest of the states have something to work with, afterall 6 months have passed and we still don't know what that is, yet they are critical of the states for exactly that issue.
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Old 7th Sep 2020, 14:28
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Are you sure those 15000 and 753 died of covid or died with covid.
I guess that we will find that out during the class actions against the Govt and the Aged Care sector.

I think the federal government needs to define what the criteria is for the International Borders first so that the rest of the states have something to work with, afterall 6 months have passed and we still don't know what that is, yet they are critical of the states for exactly that issue.
The Feds have determined what the criteria is for the International Borders. Obviously some on the panel of Q&A need to read what is the criteria is for the International Borders.

Exempt categories

You are automatically exempt from the travel restrictions and can enter Australia (without obtaining an individual exemption) if you are:
There are nine exempt categories including Australian citizens.
The main restrictions on Australian citizens returning home is the cost and the daily numbers enforced by the States.

The quarantine period and who pays for it is controlled by the States.
Advice for internations Travellers

The National Cabinet (Feds, States and Territories) all agreed to the caps on International travel.
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Old 7th Sep 2020, 21:28
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The problem Victoria has is threefold:

1. We now have an utterly incompetent state public service. This is a direct result of hiring and promoting people who have no relevant qualifications and experience except belonging to a non anglo saxon, non male minority. This situation is plainly on display in the ongoing quarantine inquiry. One manager even made and published her own team video celebrating their own achievement in creating what Josh Frydenberg correctly labelled “the greatest public policy failure in living memory”. These people are unable to construct let alone execute a coherent covid or anything else strategy. When a vaccine arrives and needs to be distributed and administered, they will @#$% that up too.

2. Our politically correct state government refuses to call a spade a spade. There is a reason that Melbournes outbreaks are geographically located where they are: concentrations of non english speaking and/or low income people who do not have a reputation for (a) familiarity with westminster democratic principles and associated laws, and (b) any inclination to follow laws at all. That translates to:”they don’t give a @#$%.”. Covid containment policy should be backed up by six months in the slammer for breaking quarantine. It isn’t. There are sections of the community who don’t respond to anything less. Lest you think I’m being racist, the six months slammer should also apply to the pricks who keep coming up to their holiday houses in defiance of the lockdown restrictions. Also, lest I be accused of racism, the government forgot to deliver covid 19 information and instructions in languages other than english for a considerable time. This was a tragedy because a lot of the wives in these communities don’t speak or learn english and may have been able to influence their families if the message had been communicated to them.

3. A state leader and ministers who have never done an honest days work in their lives. They have no empathy with anyone outside their ethnic group all of whom are carefully branch stacked members of their political faction. In particular,, they have no empathy for anyone who runs their own business. Not only that, they do not even have (nor can the public service now provide - see #1) any understanding that a major task of leaders is to reduce uncertainty, not increase it. This is how we got the jumbo jumbo “you can exercise for two hours a day if it’s Wednesday, the date is even, it’s a full moon and there were less than 41.5 cases yesterday” strategy. You can do all that modelling, well and good, but craft it into a very simple message for the community instead of raising then dashing peoples hopes. For example, Restaurant owners have been caught twice buying food and organising staff only to have to throw it all out and close up again at short notice.

‘They result is that investors are giving up and running, not walking, away from investment opportunities down here and it will take ten years and another Geoff Kennett to get them back.

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Old 7th Sep 2020, 22:06
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Originally Posted by Xeptu View Post
QandA was good tonight, The clear message that came out of that was that we need clarity on what the various criteria is for, International Borders, State Borders, those regions close to or cross the state borders. I think the federal government needs to define what the criteria is for the International Borders first so that the rest of the states have something to work with, afterall 6 months have passed and we still don't know what that is, yet they are critical of the states for exactly that issue.
Do u really think we are going to get clarity from a group of so called leaders who dont want to offend or criticise each other,who wont take responsibility for hotel quarantine fiascos,who try to deflect attention from the fact they have ripped millions out of the aged care sector & thats just the start.
They just want to talk & big note themselves by using words that sound good but in a lot of cases even they dont understand what they mean.
They need to front the public & answer our questions,they dont like that suggestion though,would show them up for who they really are.
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Old 7th Sep 2020, 22:15
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Australia, a third world nation with a first world facade! With a very low population for land mass we must look pretty incompitant to the rest of the world for handling this virus that is so infectious that you don't know you even have it unless you get tested!
We are such a weak divided nation from the corrupt politicians right down to the man in the street!
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Old 7th Sep 2020, 22:22
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Originally Posted by Sunfish View Post
The problem Victoria has is threefold:

1. We now have an utterly incompetent state public service. This is a direct result of hiring and promoting people who have no relevant qualifications and experience except belonging to a non anglo saxon, non male minority. This situation is plainly on display in the ongoing quarantine inquiry. One manager even made and published her own team video celebrating their own achievement in creating what Josh Frydenberg correctly labelled ďthe greatest public policy failure in living memoryĒ. These people are unable to construct let alone execute a coherent covid or anything else strategy. When a vaccine arrives and needs to be distributed and administered, they will @#$% that up too.

2. Our politically correct state government refuses to call a spade a spade. There is a reason that Melbournes outbreaks are geographically located where they are: concentrations of non english speaking and/or low income people who do not have a reputation for (a) familiarity with westminster democratic principles and associated laws, and (b) any inclination to follow laws at all. That translates to:Ēthey donít give a @#$%.Ē. Covid containment policy should be backed up by six months in the slammer for breaking quarantine. It isnít. There are sections of the community who donít respond to anything less. Lest you think Iím being racist, the six months slammer should also apply to the pricks who keep coming up to their holiday houses in defiance of the lockdown restrictions. Also, lest I be accused of racism, the government forgot to deliver covid 19 information and instructions in languages other than english for a considerable time. This was a tragedy because a lot of the wives in these communities donít speak or learn english and may have been able to influence their families if the message had been communicated to them.

3. A state leader and ministers who have never done an honest days work in their lives. They have no empathy with anyone outside their ethnic group all of whom are carefully branch stacked members of their political faction. In particular,, they have no empathy for anyone who runs their own business. Not only that, they do not even have (nor can the public service now provide - see #1) any understanding that a major task of leaders is to reduce uncertainty, not increase it. This is how we got the jumbo jumbo ďyou can exercise for two hours a day if itís Wednesday, the date is even, itís a full moon and there were less than 41.5 cases yesterdayĒ strategy. You can do all that modelling, well and good, but craft it into a very simple message for the community instead of raising then dashing peoples hopes. For example, Restaurant owners have been caught twice buying food and organising staff only to have to throw it all out and close up again at short notice.

ĎThey result is that investors are giving up and running, not walking, away from investment opportunities down here and it will take ten years and another Geoff Kennett to get them back.
+1

That was as concise and truthful as any explanation Iíve read anywhere.
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Old 7th Sep 2020, 22:32
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+1 - Nailed it sunny.
Only third world country you can drink the water.
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Old 7th Sep 2020, 23:35
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Originally Posted by Sunfish View Post
1. We now have an utterly incompetent state public service. This is a direct result of hiring and promoting people who have no relevant qualifications and experience except belonging to a non anglo saxon, non male minority. This situation is plainly on display in the ongoing quarantine inquiry. One manager even made and published her own team video celebrating their own achievement in creating what Josh Frydenberg correctly labelled ďthe greatest public policy failure in living memoryĒ. These people are unable to construct let alone execute a coherent covid or anything else strategy. When a vaccine arrives and needs to be distributed and administered, they will @#$% that up too.
I spent close to 10 years in state public service; I agree entirely with this comment. Incompetence appears to even be rewarded.
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Old 8th Sep 2020, 00:21
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All those new Australians that come in with just level 4 English and a drivers licence for a car as a mandatory minimum qualification, work for the public service. I was gobsmacked when in recent times had the displeasure of having to engage with one in agriculture. He had absolutely no clue what I was talking about and clearly didn't understand the english language. I had to put my aussie drawl away and speak proper english. (which you actually have to think about) I thought how the f#$k are you in this job. Ended up having to wait for someone in the department that could understand what I was asking for.
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Old 8th Sep 2020, 00:39
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2. Our politically correct state government refuses to call a spade a spade.

This has been the major issue from the get go; the government has been so hung up on "Not Offending" anyone that they have ducked and weaved on providing real information to the public. Remember back a couple of months now they started to mention the LGA's which were causing concern but refused to name the suburbs. The City of Hume comes to mind; pretty big place and there was an uproar.

So then they back-peddle and start to name the suburbs; they then attempt large scale door to door testing in some of these trouble-spots and are swiftly told to [email protected]#4-off by people in the thousands. Then it comes out that 30% of people hotel quarantine had also given that same response in relation to testing.

Just in the last couple of weeks we are now getting information on the DHHS website of hotspot locations with dates; the list is minuscule in comparison to NSW Health site. The NSW government releases information on a daily basis (in detail); the Vic government issues a number so as not to "offend".

I'm OFFENDED with this whole debacle; until the government fixes the minority (which they can't short of strategic bombing); "we're all in this ([email protected] hole) together"!
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Old 8th Sep 2020, 00:57
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Originally Posted by Sunfish View Post

1. We now have an utterly incompetent state public service. This is a direct result of hiring and promoting people who have no relevant qualifications and experience except belonging to a non anglo saxon, non male minority.
Provide linked evidence of that please. That any mistakes were made by people put into positions solely because of their gender, ethnic background or minority status and how a white Anglo male wouldnít have made those mistakes otherwise youíre just going off on a nonsense rant.


Our politically correct state government refuses to call a spade a spade. There is a reason that Melbournes outbreaks are geographically located where they are: concentrations of non english speaking and/or low income people who do not have a reputation for (a) familiarity with westminster democratic principles and associated laws, and (b) any inclination to follow laws at all.
Funny, looking at all the anti vaxxer conspiracy theorists and anti lockdown rally attendees I see most to be of English speaking Caucasian ďreal AussieĒ if you will backgrounded people. Who were arrested for incitement. I think most of the AFL players arrested for breaking lockdown rules arenít ethnic minorities, no?

As far as the spread in a Melbourne goes, 90% of cases can be traced back to a single source from hotel quarantine, not specifically an ethnic minority. The reason it spread quickly through housing towers isnít because the residents hate Westminister principles or love breaking laws, itís because isolating is hard in such an environment. Also add a higher proportion of residents there working jobs that have been casualised, without sick leave and security of employment and fears of visa issues, who are put into a position where they really canít stay at home because itíll have dire consequences for them. Another article showing the causes of the outbreak were more related to poverty than ethnicity.

Why didnít we need to identify and publicise the background of the Ruby Princess or Aspen Ski trip individuals btw? One conservative commentator has already backed down over this.
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Old 8th Sep 2020, 00:57
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Just got to love Chairman Dan’s quote... “ I apologise for the circumstances we find ourselves in”. Find ourselves in?!! This jug-eared cretin and his government’s catastrophic handling of hotel quarantine is the reason we’re in this awful predicament. Grrr.
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Provide linked evidence of that please. That any mistakes were made by people put into positions solely because of their gender, ethnic background or minority status and how a white Anglo male wouldnít have made those mistakes otherwise youíre just going off on a nonsense rant.




Funny, looking at all the anti vaxxer conspiracy theorists and anti lockdown rally attendees I see most to be of English speaking Caucasian ďreal AussieĒ if you will backgrounded people. Who were arrested for incitement. I think most of the AFL players arrested for breaking lockdown rules arenít ethnic minorities, no?

As far as the spread in a Melbourne goes, 90% of cases can be traced back to a single source from hotel quarantine, not specifically an ethnic minority. The reason it spread quickly through housing towers isnít because the residents hate Westminister principles or love breaking laws, itís because isolating is hard in such an environment. Also add a higher proportion of residents there working jobs that have been casualised, without sick leave and security of employment and fears of visa issues, who are put into a position where they really canít stay at home because itíll have dire consequences for them. Another article showing the causes of the outbreak were more related to poverty than ethnicity.

Why didnít we need to identify and publicise the background of the Ruby Princess or Aspen Ski trip individuals btw? One conservative commentator has already backed down over this.
You should know better than to bring evidence and logic here mate, it upsets the rest of us!
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Old 8th Sep 2020, 01:18
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Originally Posted by Maggie Island View Post
You should know better than to bring evidence and logic here mate, it upsets the rest of us!
I know, Iíll do it again:

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his governmentís catastrophic handling of hotel quarantine is the reason weíre in this awful predicament. Grrr.
You know theyíve discovered that it wasnít a security guard, but a hotel night manager who was the initial source of the outbreak in Melbourne? Who are we going to blame for that?

How about no one. Itís a very contagious virus, it spreads quickly and eventually someone coming into contact with a lot of carriers (like a Hotel night manager in Melbourne which was taking a high proportion of international returnees) was going to inadvertently contract it through no fault of their own. Eventually, one way or another, it was going to break out.
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