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Old 8th Jan 2022, 22:21
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Key word being voluntary. As for being responsible - I donít interact with anyone I consider vulnerable. If I am displaying symptoms I would do as Iíve always done and stay home until no longer being symptomatic. The playbook is changing, even the government discourages unnecessary testing.
No, they discourage unneccessary PCR testing. Taking 15 minutes to do a RAT and find out what you're dealing with is just base level responsible behaviour.
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Old 8th Jan 2022, 22:27
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No, they discourage unneccessary PCR testing. Taking 15 minutes to do a RAT and find out what you're dealing with is just base level responsible behaviour.
So if I donít have any symptoms, Iím supposed to take a RAT everyday this year to make sure I donít step out in public whilst being covid positive?
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Old 8th Jan 2022, 22:35
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So if I donít have any symptoms, Iím supposed to take a RAT everyday this year to make sure I donít step out in public whilst being covid positive?
Ss pilots, we are supposed to be on a 7 day rolling test regime- not to much to ask.

Airlines are cancelling thousands of flights due to staff shortages- making sure you aren't spreading it to work mates, causing ecconomic damage in the process, should be high in the mind of a supossed "get things going" advocate.
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Old 8th Jan 2022, 22:48
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Originally Posted by Wizofoz
Ss pilots, we are supposed to be on a 7 day rolling test regime- not to much to ask.

Airlines are cancelling thousands of flights due to staff shortages- making sure you aren't spreading it to work mates, causing ecconomic damage in the process, should be high in the mind of a supossed "get things going" advocate.
I said voluntary testing. If my employment mandates a rolling 7 day test, I would comply with that.

You are entitled to your opinion on how others should behave, but based on the fallaciousness of your previous arguments, I donít value them highly at all.
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Old 8th Jan 2022, 22:50
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Originally Posted by Jester64
I said voluntary testing. If my employment mandates a rolling 7 day test, I would comply with that.

You are entitled to your opinion on how others should behave, but based on the fallaciousness of your previous arguments, I donít value them highly at all.
Based on your total lack of compassion for others, mutual.
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Old 8th Jan 2022, 22:57
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Based on your total lack of compassion for others, mutual.
Please enlighten me how you come to the conclusion I lack total compassion for others based on what Iíve written. Generally curious as to how your bražn works.
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Old 8th Jan 2022, 23:06
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Ss pilots, we are supposed to be on a 7 day rolling test regime- not to much to ask.
We are? Reference please.
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Old 8th Jan 2022, 23:40
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Originally Posted by Jester64
Please enlighten me how you come to the conclusion I lack total compassion for others based on what Iíve written. Generally curious as to how your bražn works.
You're happy to walk around asymptomatic and ignorant of it, infecting those around you. Now please point out where any of my reasoning was fallacious.
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Old 8th Jan 2022, 23:41
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Originally Posted by wishiwasupthere
We are? Reference please.
Class exemption for domestic aircrew to enter Queensland.
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Old 8th Jan 2022, 23:51
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Originally Posted by Wizofoz
Class exemption for domestic aircrew to enter Queensland.
It should apply to any aircrew who overnight in a hotspot and then return to QLD. PCR within the previous 7 days or RAT within the previous 72 hours.

Seems pointless these days reallyÖ
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Old 9th Jan 2022, 00:03
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Originally Posted by Wizofoz
You're happy to walk around asymptomatic and ignorant of it, infecting those around you. Now please point out where any of my reasoning was fallacious.
Dr Dre pointed it out very nicely.

I am free to walk around asymptomatic as we all are, and have been doing our entire lives. Because I CHOOSE not to voluntarily RAT myself doesnít mean I am ignorant to the fact I may infect others. I may infect them, as they have infected me. If I donít infect them, the next person will. Thatís where we are at on the eastern seaboard. Get with it mate. Everyone is going to get infected. With our high level of vaccination, we can now treat it like how we treated the flu. Thatís the words of the PM. Did you test yourself for influenza when the flu was rife in Australia or wherever you were in the world prior to this pandemic, even though you were asymptomatic? Hell, I bet you didnít even test yourself if you displayed symptoms. You probably just stayed home like I would have.
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Old 9th Jan 2022, 00:29
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Originally Posted by Jester64
Dr Dre pointed it out very nicely.

I am free to walk around asymptomatic as we all are, and have been doing our entire lives. Because I CHOOSE not to voluntarily RAT myself doesnít mean I am ignorant to the fact I may infect others. I may infect them, as they have infected me. If I donít infect them, the next person will. Thatís where we are at on the eastern seaboard. Get with it mate. Everyone is going to get infected. With our high level of vaccination, we can now treat it like how we treated the flu. Thatís the words of the PM. Did you test yourself for influenza when the flu was rife in Australia or wherever you were in the world prior to this pandemic, even though you were asymptomatic? Hell, I bet you didnít even test yourself if you displayed symptoms. You probably just stayed home like I would have.
So why do you need me to explain why you are irresponsible and uncompassionate when you articu;ate it so well yourself?
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Old 9th Jan 2022, 00:37
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Like I said, I wanted to see how your brain works. Enjoy the rest of your weekend.
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Old 9th Jan 2022, 00:50
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Why test ? If your double vaccinated, healthy , no underlying health issues just stay home and follow health advice ? Why are we in a made panic to get a test ? Itís just using up resources and added costs . We all going to get it , do we need it confirmed ? Itís more of a mental health issue now than a physical problem . What if we turned off the news , social media for a week , calmed down and reset this would be a lot easier .
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Old 9th Jan 2022, 00:52
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The purpose of opening the borders was to accept the virus and get on with it. So that is the mindset. That's the decision.
I agree that there is still a need to protect vulnerable people, I believe it is reasonable to be tested virus free prior to entering a hospital, a medical facility, an aged peoples home or any or vulnerable peoples facility, except entry via a dedicated facility covid entry point, where procedures are in place.

For anywhere else it's on us to decide if you want to risk being there, whatever that risk may be and whatever procedures you decide as a family in your own space.

I don't see the need for mandatory isolation or testing for any other reason, all that's going to do is nobble our businesses even further and for longer. I don't see the need for government controlled checkins and compliance requirements in public places other than what I have already stated.
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Old 9th Jan 2022, 09:28
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Going to be a struggle to even fly the way itís going, I am watching crews dropping like flies at the moment. This coming fortnight is going to be tough. On the plus side it appears the public is staying away at the moment so hopefully not too many inconvenienced.

Melbourne/Sydney bases in trouble. Looks like at least 50 cancelled out of each tomorrow.
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Old 9th Jan 2022, 10:38
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Going to be a struggle to even fly the way itís going, I am watching crews dropping like flies at the moment. This coming fortnight is going to be tough. On the plus side it appears the public is staying away at the moment so hopefully not too many inconvenienced.

Melbourne/Sydney bases in trouble. Looks like at least 50 cancelled out of each tomorrow.
Across all airlines? Seen a bunch of J* cancellations but Qf seems to be reducing frequency due low loads on some flights not due crew shortages from what Ive heard
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Old 9th Jan 2022, 11:58
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Originally Posted by PoppaJo
Going to be a struggle to even fly the way it’s going, I am watching crews dropping like flies at the moment. This coming fortnight is going to be tough. On the plus side it appears the public is staying away at the moment so hopefully not too many inconvenienced.
What I think that this pandemic is showing is how much all employers in all industries have relied on workers coming into work while sick. We've all done it, come in with just a "minor virus" or come back to work after a cold a day or two before we should have. Don't want to piss off the boss too much.

What we're seeing now is the effect on society if everyone had a full week off after a contagious illness, as they really should, to prevent passing it on. Have a think if people took a full 7 days off after every cold or illness they got in winter 2019 or before and how disrupted a business would be. Industries work their employers to the bone, and employ only the bare essential number. The best thing would be to increase sick leave and for companies to employ enough workers to cover those who are sick. But once this pandemic is over I think those phone calls pressuring workers to come to work while sick or return ASAP will resume.
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Old 9th Jan 2022, 12:14
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I have just come from our local supermarket here in Perth. The shelves are getting empty. Speaking to the owner ( it’s an iGA ), he said there are big supply problems from the Eastern States. I just saw the QLD Premier saying she is worried about keeping the lights on, water running and food on the shelves. NSW is changing isolation rules to try and keep food on the shelves. Flights are being cancelled because of lack of crew and/ or passengers ( I’m surprised about the lack of passengers, I kept hearing about how opening the borders will release a huge pent up demand… it seems sick people don’t like to travel.)

I am waiting to see how long it takes to affect fuel supplies.

Hospitals admissions continue to climb. ICU admissions continue an upward trend. Available health care workers continue a downward trend as more get sick.

I could continue…. So I just want to check. This was the plan, wasn’t it? Open up and all will be normal. That was the idea, was it not? Just checking.
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Old 9th Jan 2022, 12:31
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What I think that this pandemic is showing is how much all employers in all industries have relied on workers coming into work while sick. We've all done it, come in with just a "minor virus" or come back to work after a cold a day or two before we should have. Don't want to piss off the boss too much.

What we're seeing now is the effect on society if everyone had a full week off after a contagious illness, as they really should, to prevent passing it on. Have a think if people took a full 7 days off after every cold or illness they got in winter 2019 or before and how disrupted a business would be. Industries work their employers to the bone, and employ only the bare essential number. The best thing would be to increase sick leave and for companies to employ enough workers to cover those who are sick. But once this pandemic is over I think those phone calls pressuring workers to come to work while sick or return ASAP will resume.
When i worked for easyJet they had the usual problem of flight attemdents taking much more sick leave than the rest of the workforce.

Their solution? They hired a third-party medical service, so if an employee called in sick, they would be transfered to a nurse.

Conversations went like this-

"Hi- I've got a cold, I need two days off sick".

"What do you do?"

"Flight attendent".

"Oh- well the guide-lines say that flightcrew need seven days off in the event of respitory infection, so I'll mark you sick for the week?"

"Err, yes- yes that would be fine...."

The system didn't last long....
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