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Old 7th Sep 2021, 05:12
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For the border hoppers, QLD Police Officers are accessing your iPhone to see where you've been. "Significant Locations" is the hardware.
Whist I have no significant qualms adhering to the various health directions I made a decision a couple of years back that I would not let Apple (and now the QLD police) see my Ďsignificant locationsí and thus itís not enabled on my phone.
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Old 7th Sep 2021, 07:15
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Whist I have no significant qualms adhering to the various health directions I made a decision a couple of years back that I would not let Apple (and now the QLD police) see my Ďsignificant locationsí and thus itís not enabled on my phone.
It's pretty hard not to these days. The metadata (celltower info) is stored by your service provider, it's no where near as accurate as your handset data but good enough. An android handset is almost impossible to hide.
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Old 7th Sep 2021, 09:07
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From the ABC


Am I the only one who is concerned by this? Key words - "new freedoms". WTF. I always thought that outdoor recreation in my country was a an inalienable right.
its the start of Govt sanctioned discrimination, human rights abuse and segregation, class division in a third world country with a first world facade!
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Old 7th Sep 2021, 09:30
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its the start of Govt sanctioned discrimination, human rights abuse and segregation, class division in a third world country with a first world facade!
Nobody seems to mind when a company does it, like over in the QF Mandate thread.
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Old 7th Sep 2021, 13:08
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Demand for vaccines currently outstrips supply.
Did you forget to count the 1.5 million AZ jabs sitting in GP fridges?
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Old 7th Sep 2021, 14:12
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This GF will be interesting playing at 19:00 WST I'm thinking it could well be the lowest viewership in and AFL GF history.
Where did you get that idea?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-...aled/100440842

5:15pm WST
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Old 8th Sep 2021, 01:33
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Looks like Mr Perrottet is starting to prepare for the kill.
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Old 8th Sep 2021, 02:39
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Originally Posted by Xeptu View Post
It's pretty hard not to these days. The metadata (celltower info) is stored by your service provider, it's no where near as accurate as your handset data but good enough. An android handset is almost impossible to hide.
Yes but the local copper asking to see my phone canít get the metadata by looking at it.
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Old 8th Sep 2021, 11:09
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Originally Posted by Gnadenburg View Post
As you know, what you have will just be taken off you by those with better weapons.
Funnily enough, all those against a republic should consider while expressing adoration of the royals that the above is EXACTLY how they got into the castles - by their predecessors having better (swords at the time, in size or numerically) and nothing more.
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Old 8th Sep 2021, 11:11
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Originally Posted by Keg View Post
Yes but the local copper asking to see my phone can’t get the metadata by looking at it.
If someone stopped me when I was acting within the law, demanding to see my phone, I would be asking first "do you suspect me of committing crime", second "if so, what exactly is your probable cause" and if neither of those apply "where is your search warrant".

AND, NO. I haven't been watching too many US TV shows, I live in the only State with something approximating a Bill of Rights which spells out precisely how and under what circumstances Police can stop you.

Happily, my experiences with the State Police have been that of professionalism on the part of their officers at all times (the Police Force I refer to, yes located in Australia, is consistently rated one of the most respected in the world by it's citizens). I've never had a reason to stand my ground so to speak. But I don't believe genuine concern that a crime MAY have been committed should be allowed to lazily go unchecked via exaggeration of their powers as law enforcers either.
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Old 8th Sep 2021, 22:24
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The problem is the current system is that it relies on authorities "doing the right thing". How long are these "emergency powers" going to be kept alive? How many years am I not going to be able to travel freely within my own country? Australia has just become a pseudo Authoritarian State with 7 Countries within a country. Police checking up on citizens all in the name of "safety". Interrogation at borders about "where have you been in the last 14 days?" Is this going to continue for years to come?

Whilst everyone pans the USA there is a reason why they behave like they do are the fact they don't have Police checkpoints all over the country and Police stopping people asking what they have been doing. The problem is in Australia the pandemic may be used as an excuse for a new normal. Good luck getting a State Premier to rescind their new found power.
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Old 8th Sep 2021, 22:38
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If system ain't broke why try to "fix" it??

Cheers
So we don't have "royal" programming on free to air.
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Old 8th Sep 2021, 22:41
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Did anyone see the latest from NSW Health? Confiscation of goody bags containing excessive amounts of alcohol for those in apartment blocks that are under quarantine! You're now limited to one six-pack, or 1 x 375ml bottle of sprits per day, per man, perhaps.

A NSW Police spokeswoman said Police officers are not confiscating alcohol delivered to residential buildings, and do not have powers to do so. In all residential lockdown locations, NSW Police are there to ensure compliance with the Public Health Orders and assist NSW Health if required,Ē the Police spokeswoman said.A spokeswoman for the Sydney Local Health District said when NSW Health took control of apartment buildings for the purposes of limiting the spread of coronavirus, the buildings became subject to alcohol consumption restrictions.
That's the scariest bit, right there. The Police do not even have the legal authority to confiscate these items, but someone acting under the authority of the NSW Health Department apparently "does".

Police, in all states and territories are bound by strict legal guidelines on what they can and can't do, particularly regarding searches and seizures (ie, as hinted at by A P above, need a "reasonable suspicion" to search you, they can't just open your care packages willy-nilly), yet it would appear the same checks and balances do not apply to NSW Health. And that's downright scary when you realise the implications of it.

And in other news: 324 new cases in Victoria today. Good to see that Hard lockdown, arresting kiddies for using a playground and the Melbourne curfew is working, eh? Or is it just the nature of the beast with Delta, that once it get's a decent toe-hold, it's going to spread no matter what you do?
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Old 8th Sep 2021, 23:19
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Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer View Post
So we don't have "royal" programming on free to air.
You do know you can either change channels or turn the idiot box off altogether?
That'd fix those pesky royals.

You're welcome.
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Old 8th Sep 2021, 23:28
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Originally Posted by galdian View Post
You do know you can either change channels or turn the idiot box off altogether?
That'd fix those pesky royals.

You're welcome.
Yes Iím aware how a TV works but thanks for the instruction. However, itís hard to put out a fire if you keep feeding it oxygen.
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Old 9th Sep 2021, 02:10
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Did anyone see the latest from NSW Health? Confiscation of goody bags containing excessive amounts of alcohol for those in apartment blocks that are under quarantine! You're now limited to one six-pack, or 1 x 375ml bottle of sprits per day, per man, perhaps.

That's the scariest bit, right there. The Police do not even have the legal authority to confiscate these items, but someone acting under the authority of the NSW Health Department apparently "does".

Police, in all states and territories are bound by strict legal guidelines on what they can and can't do, particularly regarding searches and seizures (ie, as hinted at by A P above, need a "reasonable suspicion" to search you, they can't just open your care packages willy-nilly), yet it would appear the same checks and balances do not apply to NSW Health. And that's downright scary when you realise the implications of it.

And in other news: 324 new cases in Victoria today. Good to see that Hard lockdown, arresting kiddies for using a playground and the Melbourne curfew is working, eh? Or is it just the nature of the beast with Delta, that once it get's a decent toe-hold, it's going to spread no matter what you do?
Bloody scary, the act itself, and the fact that we as a nation of ďfreeĒ people arenít screaming out.

We have become the biggest pussy push overs itís embarrassing.

As an aside, most infectious disease experts seem to agree that once case numbers hit 100 per day with an R > 1, thereís no reeling it back in to zero. NSW, and now VIC have seen that - soon the rest will follow unless we get vaccines up high enough quick smart.
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Old 9th Sep 2021, 02:55
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..................... - soon the rest will follow unless we get vaccines up high enough quick smart.
Is there any real-world example to show that a 70, 80 or 90 percent vaccination rate will actually curtail infection rates?
Is there any real-world example that clearly shows that vaccination rates, on their own, are having any recognisable effect on infection rates?
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Old 9th Sep 2021, 03:47
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Most of us will get covid , getting vaccinated wonít stop infection .
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Old 9th Sep 2021, 04:04
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Most of us will get covid , getting vaccinated wonít stop infection .
Thanks for the opinion but I was asking about real world examples.
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Old 9th Sep 2021, 04:34
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Is there any real-world example to show that a 70, 80 or 90 percent vaccination rate will actually curtail infection rates?
Is there any real-world example that clearly shows that vaccination rates, on their own, are having any recognisable effect on infection rates?
Certainly not in the U.K. where we are not far off 90%. There is chatter here that getting the virus once vaccinated in many cases could actually be slightly beneficial in giving enhanced immunity.
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