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Old 31st Aug 2021, 10:52
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I don't vouch for Ivermectin as a treatment for covid (just get vaccinated FFS), but for a government body like the FDA to write off a drug that has safely treated river blindness in Africa for 20 odd years, as merely a treatment that only horses and cows should be given is complete stupidity.

https://www.cdc.gov/parasites/onchoc...treatment.html


Yes, I realise the blurb says '...to treat covid-19', but it seems they're trying to spin a narrative by trying to frame it as 'not for human consumption'. Plenty of substances used for odd purposes are remade and repurposed as medicine for humans. Its a real shame that ivermectin has been proven not to be effective for Covid 19 because its cheap and easily made. We aren't getting out of this Covid mess without anti-virals in addition to vaccines, so I'd hope to see some come to the fore soon. Maybe PharmAust with their Monepantel (wait, that's sheep drench, tsk, tsk)... or whatever Pfizer is working on.
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 12:31
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Originally Posted by ExtraShot View Post
I don't vouch for Ivermectin as a treatment for covid (just get vaccinated FFS), but for a government body like the FDA to write off a drug that has safely treated river blindness in Africa for 20 odd years, as merely a treatment that only horses and cows should be given is complete stupidity.
Ivermectin is an anti-parasitic. River blindness is a disease caused by parasites. Covid isnít.

The reason the FDA is giving these warnings is people are going into livestock stores in the US and are panic buying Ivermectin meant for Horse or Cow deworming as a treatment or prophylactic for Covid.

Where do people get this idea that Ivermectin will help them?:

How the rightís ivermectin conspiracy theories led to people buying horse dewormer

And in case you think itís an ďonly in AmericaĒ thing.....:

Sky News Australia deletes dozens of videos promoting unproven Covid treatments
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 13:08
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There was anecdotal evidence Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine had done some good in India. However if you look at the amount of different drugs they pumped into patients in the early stages it's very difficult to say which if any were doing anything, and how much was just early intervention in any case. Both were proven to have little effect, if any at all past mild onset relief. The kicker is that India completely about faced 2 months ago and removed both from the treatment list completely, and from the look of it, it hasn't made much difference since, so either they were doing nothing or doctors are continuing to use them against recommended procedure.

I think someone may have already posted that a key instigator of the use of Ivermectim in the USA died of covid not long ago. There's been a few of these key anti vaccine, covid is just a flu types get killed by covid recently in the US, a lot of folks there poking fun at them, so the FDA line is not out of line with that.
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 13:21
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post

Come on big guy, I know you have been around long enough to know the rules. For the ABC anything in a Liberal state is a total disaster and anything in a Labor state is well handled. Then simply seek out an overworked employee or a sympathetic expert to confirm your headline. Simples.
Can we remember that Covid is a flu with a 98.2% survival rate please.
Spot on! The grubby corrupt Govt will do anything to bolster their tyranny! The ABC are the biggest pack of biased grubs out there!
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 13:28
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https://www.theguardian.com/australi...me-destination

Looks like Morrison has given up on a timely, uniform opening of state borders. Polling on the issue must be looking dire as itís the only thing the man responds to.
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 13:38
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Originally Posted by ExtraShot View Post
I don't vouch for Ivermectin as a treatment for covid (just get vaccinated FFS), but for a government body like the FDA to write off a drug that has safely treated river blindness in Africa for 20 odd years, as merely a treatment that only horses and cows should be given is complete stupidity.

https://www.cdc.gov/parasites/onchoc...treatment.html


Yes, I realise the blurb says '...to treat covid-19', but it seems they're trying to spin a narrative by trying to frame it as 'not for human consumption'. Plenty of substances used for odd purposes are remade and repurposed as medicine for humans. Its a real shame that ivermectin has been proven not to be effective for Covid 19 because its cheap and easily made. We aren't getting out of this Covid mess without anti-virals in addition to vaccines, so I'd hope to see some come to the fore soon. Maybe PharmAust with their Monepantel (wait, that's sheep drench, tsk, tsk)... or whatever Pfizer is working on.
Hopefully Monepantel can prove more effective as a safe, low toxicity antiviral... We need something, especially if a vaccine resistant variant rears its ugly head!
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 13:41
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Here's a good little local perspective of Covid running through Galveston County in Texas. Things to note are the numbers regarding deaths and ICU admissions overwhelmingly un-vaccinated people.

https://www.galvnews.com/news/free/a...30de56e04.html

Also to note one of the GOP members there who was strongly against vaccines and mask wearing died recently as well. Ironically his last tweet before catching Covid and then quickly ending up in hospital was anti mask/vaccine related.

Then there's Caleb Wallace, very vocal anti masker....

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...es-of-covid-19

I think the moral here is if you are an anti-vaxxer or anti-masker, don't die of covid, it will be really embarrassing for you....
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 14:00
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post

Come on big guy, I know you have been around long enough to know the rules. For the ABC anything in a Liberal state is a total disaster and anything in a Labor state is well handled. Then simply seek out an overworked employee or a sympathetic expert to confirm your headline. Simples.
Can we remember that Covid is a flu with a 98.2% survival rate please.
Itís not a flu mate. And itís not just an overworked employee that says the health system is at risk of collapse, itís the AMA
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 14:54
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There's been a few of these key anti vaccine, covid is just a flu types get killed by covid recently in the US, a lot of folks there poking fun at them, so the FDA line is not out of line with that.
The FDA is a government body, they are completely out of line mocking people no matter how foolish their cause of death.

Ivermectin is an anti-parasitic. River blindness is a disease caused by parasites. Covid isn’t.
Yes, so imagine the outcome if a community in deepest Africa getting a hold of information that imparts the opinion that the white man is giving them stuff meant only for cows and horses or is somehow unsafe... Also, if people are buying ivermectin from animal suppliers, treating people like they're stupid usually works really well to convince them to change their behaviour, doesn't it?

Honestly, there must be some freaking adolescents in charge of the FDAs social media.
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 18:36
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Originally Posted by machtuk View Post
Spot on! The grubby corrupt Govt will do anything to bolster their tyranny! The ABC are the biggest pack of biased grubs out there!
I'm sure you think sky news, SMH, The Australian are all gold standards on unbiased media. Meanwhile not a peep from the Murdoch media about the NSW government's huge mess, but still running front page attacks on the Victorian government.
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 20:51
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The AG has fired a shot across the bow to reluctant premiers regarding border closures. Once 70% and 80% targets are reached they may have no legal grounds to keep domestic borders closed. I’m sure CP is getting his case ready again for WA. Willl McGoose purposely slow And already slow roll out in WA and Anna stay away whom is in hiding from her CHO go even slower.
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 22:06
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Originally Posted by ExtraShot View Post
The FDA is a government body, they are completely out of line mocking people no matter how foolish their cause of death.

Yes, so imagine the outcome if a community in deepest Africa getting a hold of information that imparts the opinion that the white man is giving them stuff meant only for cows and horses or is somehow unsafe... Also, if people are buying ivermectin from animal suppliers, treating people like they're stupid usually works really well to convince them to change their behaviour, doesn't it?

Honestly, there must be some freaking adolescents in charge of the FDAs social media.
You've mis-read, they're not. The FDA is warning people not to take livestock medication, not mocking anyone. Other people on social media are mocking those who are buying drugs from farm suppliers, then dying because they refuse to trust the doctors. There is a never-ending stream of social media posts following a very similar pattern, it goes roughly like this:

- posting memes about how vaccine mandates are bad and covid is a lefty hoax or only affects the elderly and infirm, but they are young and healthy so they can choose their own risks, or how if you have your vaccine why should you care if they have theirs or calling people who get vaccinated sheep who submit to government control, or that they would rather get covid than submit to government tyranny.

- explaining how they've got covid, but it's only minor and they'll be back out soon.

- pleading for prayers before they go on a ventilator.

- dead. Usually with a GoFundMe to cover funeral expenses or to help look after the children they've left behind. Sometimes they're in their 30s, sometimes 40s, they all assumed that it would be someone else that died.

People who get affected by covid, deserve treatment, help and sympathy. People who have spent months and months explaining how hospitals and doctors are all in it for the money, and mocking and undermining public health measures to prevent the spread of disease, loudly and publicly calling those people who take vaccines sheep and cowards, before pleading for prayers in a hospital bed then dying of a disease they refused to protect themself against, when it keeps happening over and over and over again...No sympathy. And I understand why people are mocking them. I feel bad for their children growing up without a parent, but maybe those children will learn that even if you think covid is a lefty hoax, covid is a virus that doesn't care about your political leanings.
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 22:39
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How about this for utter hypocrisy by the Qld. Premier.

The story below is an excerpt from the ABC news web site and it appears that again there are different rules for sports people and VIP's. and they are coming from a hot spot in Sydney

"The play in question is the NRL jetting in about 100 league officials, players' wives, girlfriends and children into Brisbane from the COVID-19 hotspot of Sydney. "

The Qld. Govt has sanctioned this little visit.

How can our citizens be told to take things seriously and how important it is to maintain social distancing etc. and that these rules are vital if we are to beat this Pandemic when things like this happen. The Premier even states that she is very concerned about " border hopping " that puts Queenslanders at risk!!! and yet this happens.

It really makes a mockery out of the whole Covid thing.

It just goes to show where our Qld Premiers priorities are and it's not for upholding the rules that the rest of us have to obey!!!!

Disgraceful.
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 22:51
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It is a very bad look for both QLD and WA allowing sports events with interstate teams and support staff to go ahead when there is so much issue around travel even for compassionate grounds.

The only mitigating factor is those sports are footing the bill for quarantine and such. If they are not and the state govs are also funding them to play in those states then the electorate should take them to task. I'm not a resident of either state so have no say in their politics, it's up to the locals to decide if that's appropriate for them.
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 22:53
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Originally Posted by RodH View Post
How about this for utter hypocrisy by the Qld. Premier.

The story below is an excerpt from the ABC news web site and it appears that again there are different rules for sports people and VIP's. and they are coming from a hot spot in Sydney

"The play in question is the NRL jetting in about 100 league officials, players' wives, girlfriends and children into Brisbane from the COVID-19 hotspot of Sydney. "

The Qld. Govt has sanctioned this little visit.

How can our citizens be told to take things seriously and how important it is to maintain social distancing etc. and that these rules are vital if we are to beat this Pandemic when things like this happen. The Premier even states that she is very concerned about " border hopping " that puts Queenslanders at risk!!! and yet this happens.

It really makes a mockery out of the whole Covid thing.

It just goes to show where our Qld Premiers priorities are and it's not for upholding the rules that the rest of us have to obey!!!!

Disgraceful.
Are you surprised? just look at WA same thing with the AFL leaps and bounds for a sporting event, pushed to the back of the que if you're an Aussie trying to return home or worse a resident wanting to leave and return to NSW for urgent funeral, which in my opinion would trump any celebrity or sporting code that needs to be played.
Netflix canceled a major production that was to be filmed in Australia, the difficult border logistics, constant juggling of border arrangements along with constantly changing worker permits. A Russel Crowe production was shut down yesterday also due to a "positive"case. one thing Hollywood hates is loosing money and thats what is happening now when they come to Australia. I am happy that this is happening as Australia's attraction has waned in recent months due to a low rate of vaccination, the arrival of the more infectious COVID-19 delta variant and a sprawl of localized logistical complications. Pull your finger out Premiers.
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 23:00
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A Russel Crowe production was shut down yesterday also due to a "positive"case. one thing Hollywood hates is loosing money and thats what is happening now when they come to Australia.
Nothing new, a lot of filming of series in the US was put on hold and some still on hold due to covid concerns, hence why I've caught up with most of my netflix streams. There was a number of shoots moved to Australia because it was considered safe, the idiot brigade have ensured that's probably no more.
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 23:21
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon View Post
That looks suspiciously like the Commonwealth government using the vertical fiscal imbalance to bring pressure to bear on the states to behave in the way the Commonwealth wants. Who knew the Commonwealth had powers beyond those listed in s 51 of the Constitution...

Thoughts, Mick?
I would have thought it manifestly self-evident. If the Commonwealth had a power beyond those listed in s 51 to ensure that the states complied, they would exercise that power and you would see compliance. That's not happening. Draw your own conclusions.
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 23:59
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Originally Posted by De_flieger View Post
You've mis-read, they're not. The FDA is warning people not to take livestock medication, not mocking anyone. Other people on social media are mocking those who are buying drugs from farm suppliers, then dying because they refuse to trust the doctors. There is a never-ending stream of social media posts following a very similar pattern, it goes roughly like this:

- posting memes about how vaccine mandates are bad and covid is a lefty hoax or only affects the elderly and infirm, but they are young and healthy so they can choose their own risks, or how if you have your vaccine why should you care if they have theirs or calling people who get vaccinated sheep who submit to government control, or that they would rather get covid than submit to government tyranny.

- explaining how they've got covid, but it's only minor and they'll be back out soon.

- pleading for prayers before they go on a ventilator.

- dead. Usually with a GoFundMe to cover funeral expenses or to help look after the children they've left behind. Sometimes they're in their 30s, sometimes 40s, they all assumed that it would be someone else that died.

People who get affected by covid, deserve treatment, help and sympathy. People who have spent months and months explaining how hospitals and doctors are all in it for the money, and mocking and undermining public health measures to prevent the spread of disease, loudly and publicly calling those people who take vaccines sheep and cowards, before pleading for prayers in a hospital bed then dying of a disease they refused to protect themself against, when it keeps happening over and over and over again...No sympathy. And I understand why people are mocking them. I feel bad for their children growing up without a parent, but maybe those children will learn that even if you think covid is a lefty hoax, covid is a virus that doesn't care about your political leanings.

Nope. Didnít misread at all. Saying Ďyou are not a horse, you are not a cowí in a headline is condescending and an attempt at mocking those who seek what they believe is alternative treatment. That is NOT a government bodyís role, and I believe Would generally have the opposite effect on many, driving them further away.

Most of the people who the FDA are trying to speak with those posts wouldnít read, or believe that information anyhow so it seems it could be more of an attempt to galvanize opinion against those types and stop more people joining them if anything.

You canít force needles in the arms of people to get vaccinated, many of the people seeking ivermectin probably arenít the ones who think Covid is a hoax anyway as theyíre actually seeking something for it. An honest evidence backed campaign that uses respect and repetition, along with practical encouragement such as what qantas is attempting will be most likely to change their minds.
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 00:09
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Saying ‘you are not a horse, you are not a cow’ in a headline is condescending and an attempt at mocking those who seek what they believe is alternative treatment.
Taking another countries problems out of context is why you are struggling with it's meaning. A few lost individuals have 'heard' Ivermectin can cure Covid and can't get prescribed it as they don't have worms, instead they turn to black market sales of horse and cow versions of the drug. Which are much larger doses and contain other ingredients not suitable for human consumption, they are then getting sick or dying because of this. The FDA is not mocking them in that statement, it is not mocking the dead or dying, it is making a clear statement that those drugs are not for humans, especially if you read the material on the site. I'm pretty sure the message is working in the US now, a few of the 'anti' protagonists have died from covid scarring the others into vaccination. As I said earlier the FDA statement is pretty much in line with sentiment and media coverage of the issue.
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Old 1st Sep 2021, 00:50
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Originally Posted by 43Inches View Post
Taking another countries problems out of context is why you are struggling with it's meaning. A few lost individuals have 'heard' Ivermectin can cure Covid and can't get prescribed it as they don't have worms, instead they turn to black market sales of horse and cow versions of the drug. Which are much larger doses and contain other ingredients not suitable for human consumption, they are then getting sick or dying because of this. The FDA is not mocking them in that statement, it is not mocking the dead or dying, it is making a clear statement that those drugs are not for humans, especially if you read the material on the site. I'm pretty sure the message is working in the US now, a few of the 'anti' protagonists have died from covid scarring the others into vaccination. As I said earlier the FDA statement is pretty much in line with sentiment and media coverage of the issue.

Sorry, but it absolutely is mocking them. Most people wonít read beyond the headline. It is condescending. I donít know you struggle with that (see what you did there?). Itís a Ďdeplorablesí type moment. You wonít win over people speaking to them like that.
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