All borders to reopen.

[andrewr]

Originally Posted by Mach E Avelli

The problem now is the unrelenting retards already loose in our community who ignore best advice from medical experts and run around infecting others.

Pilots are not an exception. I know pilots who went flying during the first lock down when they were not supposed to be leaving their homes. A couple of weeks ago there was a fly-in in Victoria when gatherings were supposed to be limited to 10 people.

Yesterday someone was telling me that the lockdown does not apply to recreational flying. Everyone has an excuse why the rules should not apply to them.

[ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE]

Originally Posted by andrewr

Pilots are not an exception. I know pilots who went flying during the first lock down when they were not supposed to be leaving their homes. A couple of weeks ago there was a fly-in in Victoria when gatherings were supposed to be limited to 10 people.

Yesterday someone was telling me that the lockdown does not apply to recreational flying. Everyone has an excuse why the rules should not apply to them.

the lockdown absolutely applies to recreational flying.

Its not one of the 4 reasons to leave your home is it? (Supplies, education, medical, giving care).

the authorities could be even stricter this lock down if you take off from a Melbourne metro aeridrome and fly to ththe country

[ozbiggles]

Green dot, I’m not sure what you are using my quote for? Mine was in regards to freaks on YouTube and their followers. Nothing to do with the SNAFU with the hotel guards in Victoria. That one speaks for itself. There’s seems to be in the Victorian Government culture a reluctance to use defence assets. No surprise given the deputy chief medical officers social views. They are taking medical advice from someone who can’t even control herself on Twitter. Unfortunately the Victorian situation although not unexpected has set the aviation cause back a number of months. I think however that is more to do with the nature of the virus and could happen in any of the states.

[andrewr]

Originally Posted by ECAMACTIONSCOMPLETE

the lockdown absolutely applies to recreational flying.

Yes, I was suggesting that as pilots we need to look at ourselves and our fellow pilots.

Another example is Gordon Rich-Phillips, who was flying around the state during the first lockdown and giving pilots a bad name. A reminder that with ADSB everyone can see who you are and where you go. (Also probably Avplan and OzRunways if you use the traffic features.)

[Chronic Snoozer]

Apparently the McG hard border is as porous as chicken wire.

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/...08-p55a8s.html

[Green.Dot]

Originally Posted by ozbiggles

Green dot, I’m not sure what you are using my quote for? Mine was in regards to freaks on YouTube and their followers.

Apologies if I misunderstood mate, I thought you were questioning the content of the video 👍

[Bodie1]

Unfortunately the Victorian situation although not unexpected has set the aviation cause back a number of months.

Months? Maybe a year or two. Victoria's share of Australian GDP is about 25% plus the effect it has on other states GDP by not functioning. It's not simply a case of it's residents having another 6 weeks at home, it's cancellation of business, business confidence, is it going to happen again? What business would ramp back up to have this bull**** happen again. The airline industry is an immediate casualty of this mess. For others it will be a slow burn, others still, immediate. Plus the unseen effects, mental health etc.

He is incompetent and has now cost the economy billions.

[wheels_down]

Jetstar had fairly solid capacity plans from July onwards so that is all gone now. Bulk of it cycles through Victoria. Essentially it pushes them back 4 months. That’s another half a Billon dollar plus burden for the QF group.

I wouldn’t expect Melbourne to Queensland until November. There will be a fairly long monitoring period once the lockdown is over to see if Victoria can manage. Anastasia will be in no hurry to open her state up to Victoria as seen previously.

Any NSW spike and you can forget going anywhere this year.

[Green.Dot]

https://www.afr.com/policy/economy/f...0200705-p5596l

[Turnleft080]

Coronavirus Cases: 8,886
Deaths: 106
Recovered: 7,487

ACTIVE CASES
1,293
Currently Infected Patients
1,285 (99%)
in Mild Condition

8 (1%)
Serious or Critical

from worldometers.

They are the present numbers. Check out the recoveries. Not a bad ratio. This is got to be the final 6 weeks. No more extensions.
If we flatten the curve again well and good. If we don't then health officials have got to go herd immunity. Healthy people who
catch it have a 99% of recovery. Sick people who catch it have a 95% of recovery. Those with high lung infections i.e. lung cancer,
emphysema, COPD, need to be locked down. Those 106 unfortunate deaths 95% of them had those chronic conditions.
Those percentages are rough figures from the CDC which have the experts.
Which way will the government go. Which way do you want to go with this.

[Ragnor]

Originally Posted by wheels_down

Jetstar had fairly solid capacity plans from July onwards so that is all gone now. Bulk of it cycles through Victoria. Essentially it pushes them back 4 months. That’s another half a Billon dollar plus burden for the QF group.

You base this on what facts? I understand capacity into and out of Victoria is affected, QLD NSW and other states showing strong demand loads have been over 175 to sold out everywhere I’ve been. 4 months is a made up figure unless you have facts stating otherwise if so please share. How is it a burden to QANTAS group? I feel you’re comments are coming from a emotional and personal perspective.

[Green.Dot]

Originally Posted by Ragnor

How is it a burden to QANTAS group? I feel you’re comments are coming from a emotional and personal perspective.

Unless a miracle happens over the next 6 weeks in Victoria I’d say wheels_down is close the money. The exact monetary figure is anyone’s guess but it will be substantial.

It doesn’t matter what state you live in, consumer confidence nationally will fall following the Vic spikes.

[Ragnor]

He/She maybe right, I’m sure QF group will not spend 1 cent more than it has to on any part of the group unless it’s to buy Cobham, If JQ is a burden I’m sure they won’t let it be as I’m sure if any part of QANTAS mainline is a burden it will go also. No one is safe at the moment.

[Green.Dot]

Originally Posted by Ragnor

He/She maybe right, I’m sure QF group will not spend 1 cent more than it has to on any part of the group unless it’s to buy Cobham, If JQ is a burden I’m sure they won’t let it be as I’m sure if any part of QANTAS mainline is a burden it will go also. No one is safe at the moment.

I don’t think wheels_down was targeting JQ. Completely agree with the above.

[zanthrus]

Let the 1% die. If they don’t then great. Move along nothing to see here. Reopen everything in the economy and let’s get on with life. This lockdown will do more damage to health than the disease. Totally over this farce now.

[ozbiggles]

You are quoting figures from Australia.
If you want to let it rip (thanks for volunteering your old folks and probably yourGP as tribute) then do the figures for the American figures or that now fallen star of Sweden who’s chief epidemiologist now admits he got it wrong.
The Victorian figures now are trending worse then when all this started so the stats for your argument are probably shortly to be outdated,

Anyway this may be the least of our issues as we poke China in the eye over mini China.

[exfocx]

Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer

Apparently the McG hard border is as porous as chicken wire.

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/...08-p55a8s.html

Maybe you should look up the what's allowed and what isn't, the border closure has never been a hard closure. Flights between the states and from OS have been allowed from day one, as has vehicle traffic and there are processes in place to handle it. To call WA's border closure porous is ignorant.

[wheels_down]

Originally Posted by Ragnor

You base this on what facts? I understand capacity into and out of Victoria is affected, QLD NSW and other states showing strong demand loads have been over 175 to sold out everywhere I’ve been. 4 months is a made up figure unless you have facts stating otherwise if so please share. How is it a burden to QANTAS group? I feel you’re comments are coming from a emotional and personal perspective.

It’s been based on no more outbreaks after September. Post Melbourne lockdown from September Anastasia won’t be opening the gates immediately. That’s a fact. Victoria won’t be opening up immediately also. It’s a staged reopening as seen last month. Dan Andrews will be as cautious as ever, he can’t afford another blunder on reopening otherwise he is gone. Job Keeper ends also soon after. There will be a period of 4-8 weeks of monitoring the numbers soon after opening. If they manage to keep a lid on it then it’s now November and we can start opening up Tourism.

The burden for any airline especially QF and
VA is the prolonged cash burn. Jetstar had significant plans in capacity for the next half out of Melbourne. Melbourne is a large Jetstar base. Alan and Gareth were fairly bullish in regards to domestic capacity in the next half. They had to, no choice, need to reduce that cash burn. Another 4 months of standstill will just drag that cash burn on and on. Not much opportunity to reduce it.

You just hope there isn’t an outbreak in NSW. I’m not overly confident Melbourne can keep a lid on it either after September.

Essentially we need to wait until Mid to Late September to see how Melbourne goes during round 2 in order to work out where we go next.

[SOPS]

WA borders just got a lot tighter. Both national and international. People who were coming from Victoria to work on the mines and things like that.. no longer can. If you have been in Victoria in the last 14 days.. you are no longer allowed to come into WA, no matter what reason you have. The only exception are transport and freight workers. More to come ...

[directimped]

Originally Posted by zanthrus

Let the 1% die. If they don’t then great. Move along nothing to see here. Reopen everything in the economy and let’s get on with life. This lockdown will do more damage to health than the disease. Totally over this farce now.

So 2 or 300,000 dead (in Australia) but more likely over a million in ICU. The hospitals will be completely overwhelmed and they will be digging mass graves like they did in New York. That means if your car or plane crashes then no hospital bed for you sorry, you can die on the street.

Sounds nice to me, I vote you first