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Old 4th Jul 2020, 10:18
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And how do you propose to achieve that? Tanks on the streets? Police on every road? Any idea of how may roads that would be?
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Old 4th Jul 2020, 10:58
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Only 5 Major roads out of Metro Melbourne. Geelong/Bendigo/Ballarat can be cut off with the closure of Princess/Western/Calder.

Let Melbourne sort out its own problems. Don’t punish regional areas. These places will be glad to cut ties with Melbourne and can thrive without them.
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Old 4th Jul 2020, 11:26
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So regional Victoria can do without access to the major hospitals, medical specialists, food distribution centres, mental health specialists, the list can go on and in more normal times the transport hubs. You quote 3 highways that need to be cut off....do you think there might be a thousand entry and access points to those roads? How many checkpoints would you need to police that? And then you need to stop people flying in the regions too just to keep it aviation related.
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Old 4th Jul 2020, 12:09
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NZ is Quite often held up by the AUS press as the shining light world leader in its success in combatting Covid 19...and I agree totally they have done a fantastic job. Their “score sits at 306 cases per 1 million population , and sadly 4 deaths per 1 million population. For a country that does a Lot of testing that is an extremely admirable achievement.

Now The AUS press suggest that due to the latest “mistep” by “Chairman” Dan (the Australian Newspaper ref) AUS Is in the land of Covid frefall.

A quick google search shows that the latest figure for AUS are 328 cases per 1 million population, and sadly 4 deaths per 1 million population. So despite the issues in Victoria it would seem AUS is not on the path to Armageddon, AND is on par with NZ which upheld as doing such a fantastic job in beating the “Bastard”.

Perhaps some State Premiers should start acting like Australians rather than Redneck pre Federation thinkers they are presently portraying.

Not only does the Aviation industry need borders to be free, so do the businesses that rely on travellers of all ilk.

So perhaps the State Premiers work out how to solve their internal outbreaks, and allow access through the states.

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Old 4th Jul 2020, 12:37
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If COVID has taught me anything, it’s how many people don’t know the difference between ‘border’ and ‘boarder’.
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Old 4th Jul 2020, 13:13
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The problem is Melbourne is the new Ruby Princess. I don't blame the other States for denying access to Victorians. Chairman Dan made some big statements about how Victoria was leading the country in covid management, now he just looks like an idiot.
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Old 4th Jul 2020, 23:13
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A complete moron but not quite as stupid as the minister who should have been supervising the hotel quarantine. Well done Labor, your ties with the unions and insistence to use “old mates” security company and their “guards” will haunt you for years to come. And haunt Australia.

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Old 4th Jul 2020, 23:33
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So perhaps the State Premiers work out how to solve their internal outbreaks, and allow access through the states.
State and territory governments fund most of the spending for community health services.

Very much like funding for the RFDS - each state looks after itself, mostly with a uneven distribution of funds from the Feds.

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Old 5th Jul 2020, 03:10
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I returned from overseas, was quarantined in a Sydney, NSW hotel. The NSW Police and Army managed this process. The process on implementing the co-operation between the defence force and NSW Police was obviously extremely well managed. At all times I was treated with respect, at the same time it was clear that this process was serious. The defence force personnel were on every floor (I can only assume this as I was on the 9th floor and saw them there).

It was clear that you weren't leaving that hotel, let alone your floor or your room.

Daniel Andrews does what he is told by the union bosses. He is a useful idiot. He has proven over and over again that he has no decision making authority. He is a puppet of the factions.

Anyone who has attended any event where these 'security' personnel are used knows they have the respect of no one. To say they 'command' authority is a joke. And looking at the actions of a few of them, have no integrity.

Well done Chairman Dan.
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Old 5th Jul 2020, 03:33
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Police forcing people to remain inside their Flemington housing commission apartments sounds very similar to the stories of buildings in Wuhan being welded shut to keep people inside. It’s Chairman Dan’s socialist utopian dream coming true!
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It’s what is needed to save rest of the country.
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Old 5th Jul 2020, 04:26
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Originally Posted by Australopithecus
The defence of our borders got moved to quarantine hotels, yet the military was sidelined in favour of the bozo sector of private security.
What makes you think military personnel would’ve been acted any differently? Here’s some bozo Australian soldiers deciding to blatantly break lockdown restrictions themselves.

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Police forcing people to remain inside their Flemington housing commission apartments sounds very similar to the stories of buildings in Wuhan being welded shut to keep people inside. It’s Chairman Dan’s socialist utopian dream coming true!
Isn’t it funny how all you guys who bashed China for being an authoritarian dictatorship by locking it’s citizens in their apartments in January when the virus hit there, then turned around in March and denounced China for not locking their citizens in their apartments faster and sooner than they did to supposedly stop the spread of the virus overseas?

If Dan A locks people in their apartments to stop the virus spread he’s an authoritarian dictator, but then if he doesn’t and the virus spreads the same people would call him an incompetent disease spreader who should’ve lockdown harder to prevent virus spread.

What you’re seeing is politics at work. The same reason why the premiers of QLD and WA have been slammed for border closures but the premiers of TAS and SA have basically escaped criticism for doing the exact same thing. I wonder what the difference is....?
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Old 5th Jul 2020, 04:38
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dr dre, the results speak for themselves, Victoria is infested others are not.
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Old 5th Jul 2020, 04:49
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I feel some sympathy for Premier Andrews, in spite of the obvious.

He moved early, he moved hard. I suspect because he knew the public/ public servants he was dealing with.

That it failed in implementation is inexcusable.

The thin line we walked before that had people squealing is nothing compared to where we are heading now.
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Old 5th Jul 2020, 04:52
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Why did he take so long too act? One security guard was associated with the first family cluster. Had he properly quarantined this group and their contacts
we might not be where we are today. Why he let it get out of control before he acted is beyond me.

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Old 5th Jul 2020, 05:11
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Originally Posted by dr dre
What makes you think military personnel would’ve been acted any differently? Here’s some bozo Australian soldiers deciding to blatantly break lockdown restrictions themselves.
Probably the fact that they did hotel security successfully in other states.

Soldiers playing up outside of work ain’t a good look for defence, but when in uniform and under the direction of their superiors they will perform their duties diligently.
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Old 5th Jul 2020, 05:20
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He does not have much to work with.

This is who is responsible for "the response to communicable disease incidents and emergencies".


And for balance...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-...eared/12215532
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Old 5th Jul 2020, 10:09
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What makes you think military personnel would’ve been acted any differently?
That was a serious question was it?

If Dan A locks people in their apartments to stop the virus spread he’s an authoritarian dictator
The 'Chairman Dan' comments are more about the nanny state he is trying to create in Victoria. Having lived in 3 states, Victoria is the Beijing of Australia.
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Old 5th Jul 2020, 10:57
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I worked numerous shifts as a health practitioner in Vic’s hotel quarantine system. I witnessed numerous infection control shortcomings, and not just with the security guards as the media portrays. It should all come out in the inquiry.

I’m not partial to either side of politics; it wouldn’t have mattered which side was in charge. The same incompetent department staff would have overseen the under resourced and overworked staff at the front line.
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Originally Posted by Stickshift3000

I’m not partial to either side of politics; it wouldn’t have mattered which side was in charge. The same incompetent department staff would have overseen the under resourced and overworked staff at the front line.
Well no you’re wrong. both sides of politics have done very well in other states and territories.

Dan Andrews is the problem here.
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