How good is Alliance!!!!
Originally Posted by geeup
Alliance Ejets are older then the B717
They will be crewed by Alliance as per wet lease agreement
They will be crewed by Alliance as per wet lease agreement
The Ejets range from 12.5 to 15.6 years.
https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Alliance-Airlines
https://www.planespotters.net/airline/QantasLink
Are you sure you’re not talking about their Fokker fleet?
I would also suggest that the dispatch reliability of Alliance is far greater.
Ejets to replace the 717’s look like a bit of a favourite.
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Originally Posted by Going Nowhere
The 717’s range from 15.2 to 21.5 years.
The Ejets range from 12.5 to 15.6 years.
https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Alliance-Airlines
https://www.planespotters.net/airline/QantasLink
Are you sure you’re not talking about their Fokker fleet?
I would also suggest that the dispatch reliability of Alliance is far greater.
The Ejets range from 12.5 to 15.6 years.
https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Alliance-Airlines
https://www.planespotters.net/airline/QantasLink
Are you sure you’re not talking about their Fokker fleet?
I would also suggest that the dispatch reliability of Alliance is far greater.
Alliance e190s are 2005 models ex COAP
Qantas b717 are 2000 models ex Impulse
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Originally Posted by geeup
Stand corrected.
Alliance e190s are 2005 models ex COAP
Qantas b717 are 2000 models ex Impulse
Alliance e190s are 2005 models ex COAP
Qantas b717 are 2000 models ex Impulse
How good is Alliance?
They are so good that they’ve blindsided their E190 Darwin/Adelaide pilots and “negotiated” an outcome that has them earning less than Alliance F100 pilots. What’s more is that the base salary is below the award. AFAP have applied to get this “agreement” terminated as it does not meet the BOOT test in their view.
This is nothing more than an opportunistic play at attempting to lower pilot conditions. They need to be called out on it.
They are so good that they’ve blindsided their E190 Darwin/Adelaide pilots and “negotiated” an outcome that has them earning less than Alliance F100 pilots. What’s more is that the base salary is below the award. AFAP have applied to get this “agreement” terminated as it does not meet the BOOT test in their view.
This is nothing more than an opportunistic play at attempting to lower pilot conditions. They need to be called out on it.
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Looking at the Modern award I get $160,542 for a Narrow Body Captain with the IFR and turbo jet allowances. I heard that they are getting $165K although I haven't seen a contract. Does that not meet the award then or is there something I have missed?
I believe the unions were completely unaware of this “agreement” until they stumbled across it on the FWC website.
I imagine it won’t be hard to have this piece of crap quashed.
I imagine it won’t be hard to have this piece of crap quashed.
Originally Posted by turbantime
How good is Alliance?
They are so good that they’ve blindsided their E190 Darwin/Adelaide pilots and “negotiated” an outcome that has them earning less than Alliance F100 pilots. What’s more is that the base salary is below the award. AFAP have applied to get this “agreement” terminated as it does not meet the BOOT test in their view.
This is nothing more than an opportunistic play at attempting to lower pilot conditions. They need to be called out on it.
They are so good that they’ve blindsided their E190 Darwin/Adelaide pilots and “negotiated” an outcome that has them earning less than Alliance F100 pilots. What’s more is that the base salary is below the award. AFAP have applied to get this “agreement” terminated as it does not meet the BOOT test in their view.
This is nothing more than an opportunistic play at attempting to lower pilot conditions. They need to be called out on it.
Originally Posted by Double_Clutch
Who agreed to that?
Last edited by TimmyTee; 15th May 2021 at 08:48.
Originally Posted by TimmyTee
Well, there are 2 pilots names at the end of the documents who signed off on them.
These guys would very well know that the Union had clearly not been involved, yet they are signatories to what’s arguably an all time low for a jet operator in Australia. And it’s not like Alliance are some small operator based in the middle of nowhere - they fly around 50 odd jets and have several hundred employees.
It’s a disgrace and the individuals that sign these sub standard agreements should have a good hard look at themselves.
I enquired some time ago about a DEC position onto the F100 when they were advertising for their Darwin base. I asked what the salary was, and then promptly laughed, told them it’s an absolute insult, and wished them luck.
No surprises.
No surprises.
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Originally Posted by Colonel_Klink
And when do pilots start calling out those that sign off on these rubbish agreements?
These guys would very well know that the Union had clearly not been involved, yet they are signatories to what’s arguably an all time low for a jet operator in Australia. And it’s not like Alliance are some small operator based in the middle of nowhere - they fly around 50 odd jets and have several hundred employees.
It’s a disgrace and the individuals that sign these sub standard agreements should have a good hard look at themselves.
These guys would very well know that the Union had clearly not been involved, yet they are signatories to what’s arguably an all time low for a jet operator in Australia. And it’s not like Alliance are some small operator based in the middle of nowhere - they fly around 50 odd jets and have several hundred employees.
It’s a disgrace and the individuals that sign these sub standard agreements should have a good hard look at themselves.
It’s disappointing to see an agreement like that. The only reason that Alliance are there is because the folks from NJS worked so hard when negotiating their agreement. QF obviously decided they were too expensive.
Remember NJS has their head office in ADL and had a DRW base for 30 odd years!
Hopefully the folks at Alliance go hard at the next negotiation and try and get up to NJS’s pay level - they seem to be the gold standard of ‘100 seat Jet pay’ in Australia at the moment.
Remember NJS has their head office in ADL and had a DRW base for 30 odd years!
Hopefully the folks at Alliance go hard at the next negotiation and try and get up to NJS’s pay level - they seem to be the gold standard of ‘100 seat Jet pay’ in Australia at the moment.
You should have a good hard look at https://www.fairwork.gov.au/employee...and-harassment when you finish lecturing and trash talking others for choices they are entitled to make.
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody
It's one thing to accept a sub par offer for yourself individually it's completely another to sign on behalf of everyone else.
