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Old 8th May 2021, 09:06
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14 of them will. You have no guarantees after that.
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Old 8th May 2021, 10:35
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Originally Posted by geeup View Post
Alliance Ejets are older then the B717

They will be crewed by Alliance as per wet lease agreement
The 717’s range from 15.2 to 21.5 years.
The Ejets range from 12.5 to 15.6 years.

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Alliance-Airlines
https://www.planespotters.net/airline/QantasLink

Are you sure you’re not talking about their Fokker fleet?

I would also suggest that the dispatch reliability of Alliance is far greater.
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Old 8th May 2021, 11:00
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I would also suggest that the dispatch reliability of Alliance is far greater.
Is the 717 unreliable? Or is it being operated poorly?
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Old 8th May 2021, 13:07
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Ejets to replace the 717’s look like a bit of a favourite.
Don't forget in the West, QF is running almost 30 year old F100s, surely they must be a prime candidate for replacement soon?
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Old 8th May 2021, 19:52
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Originally Posted by Going Nowhere View Post
The 717’s range from 15.2 to 21.5 years.
The Ejets range from 12.5 to 15.6 years.

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Alliance-Airlines
https://www.planespotters.net/airline/QantasLink

Are you sure you’re not talking about their Fokker fleet?

I would also suggest that the dispatch reliability of Alliance is far greater.
Stand corrected.

Alliance e190s are 2005 models ex COAP
Qantas b717 are 2000 models ex Impulse
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Old 8th May 2021, 21:36
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Originally Posted by geeup View Post
Stand corrected.

Alliance e190s are 2005 models ex COAP
Qantas b717 are 2000 models ex Impulse
Not all the 717s are ex impulse,the fleet has been increased over the years with some even coming out of storage in the desert.
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Old 15th May 2021, 00:57
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How good is Alliance?
They are so good that they’ve blindsided their E190 Darwin/Adelaide pilots and “negotiated” an outcome that has them earning less than Alliance F100 pilots. What’s more is that the base salary is below the award. AFAP have applied to get this “agreement” terminated as it does not meet the BOOT test in their view.
This is nothing more than an opportunistic play at attempting to lower pilot conditions. They need to be called out on it.
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Old 15th May 2021, 01:31
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Who agreed to that?
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Old 15th May 2021, 01:54
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Looking at the Modern award I get $160,542 for a Narrow Body Captain with the IFR and turbo jet allowances. I heard that they are getting $165K although I haven't seen a contract. Does that not meet the award then or is there something I have missed?
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Old 15th May 2021, 02:15
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How does it compare to Network & Air North?
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Old 15th May 2021, 02:22
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What are they paying for captains and FOs on the E190 at Alliance?
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Old 15th May 2021, 04:13
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I believe the unions were completely unaware of this “agreement” until they stumbled across it on the FWC website.

I imagine it won’t be hard to have this piece of crap quashed.
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Old 15th May 2021, 06:10
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Originally Posted by turbantime View Post
How good is Alliance?
They are so good that they’ve blindsided their E190 Darwin/Adelaide pilots and “negotiated” an outcome that has them earning less than Alliance F100 pilots. What’s more is that the base salary is below the award. AFAP have applied to get this “agreement” terminated as it does not meet the BOOT test in their view.
This is nothing more than an opportunistic play at attempting to lower pilot conditions. They need to be called out on it.
Are you saying these pilots signed up for the job not knowing what their pay and conditions were going to be?
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Old 15th May 2021, 08:14
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Originally Posted by Double_Clutch View Post
Who agreed to that?
Well, there are 2 pilots names at the end of the documents who signed off on them.

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Old 15th May 2021, 09:55
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Originally Posted by TimmyTee View Post
Well, there are 2 pilots names at the end of the documents who signed off on them.
And when do pilots start calling out those that sign off on these rubbish agreements?

These guys would very well know that the Union had clearly not been involved, yet they are signatories to what’s arguably an all time low for a jet operator in Australia. And it’s not like Alliance are some small operator based in the middle of nowhere - they fly around 50 odd jets and have several hundred employees.

It’s a disgrace and the individuals that sign these sub standard agreements should have a good hard look at themselves.
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Old 15th May 2021, 10:19
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I enquired some time ago about a DEC position onto the F100 when they were advertising for their Darwin base. I asked what the salary was, and then promptly laughed, told them it’s an absolute insult, and wished them luck.

No surprises.
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Old 15th May 2021, 11:04
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Originally Posted by Colonel_Klink View Post
And when do pilots start calling out those that sign off on these rubbish agreements?

These guys would very well know that the Union had clearly not been involved, yet they are signatories to what’s arguably an all time low for a jet operator in Australia. And it’s not like Alliance are some small operator based in the middle of nowhere - they fly around 50 odd jets and have several hundred employees.

It’s a disgrace and the individuals that sign these sub standard agreements should have a good hard look at themselves.
You should have a good hard look at https://www.fairwork.gov.au/employee...and-harassment when you finish lecturing and trash talking others for choices they are entitled to make.
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Old 15th May 2021, 12:23
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It’s disappointing to see an agreement like that. The only reason that Alliance are there is because the folks from NJS worked so hard when negotiating their agreement. QF obviously decided they were too expensive.

Remember NJS has their head office in ADL and had a DRW base for 30 odd years!

Hopefully the folks at Alliance go hard at the next negotiation and try and get up to NJS’s pay level - they seem to be the gold standard of ‘100 seat Jet pay’ in Australia at the moment.
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Old 15th May 2021, 12:25
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You should have a good hard look at https://www.fairwork.gov.au/employee...and-harassment when you finish lecturing and trash talking others for choices they are entitled to make.
It's one thing to accept a sub par offer for yourself individually it's completely another to sign on behalf of everyone else.
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Old 15th May 2021, 22:40
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody View Post
It's one thing to accept a sub par offer for yourself individually it's completely another to sign on behalf of everyone else.
A greenfields agreement is assessed by Fair Work against the Air Pilots Award 2010 which definitely my and presumably your union has participated in and accepted. I'm no expert but E190 terms and pay must be par or above otherwise it would not have been accepted by Fair Work. Feel free to bag the union for their role in the Award and go as hard as you like on Alliance but hold off sledging individuals for making decisions they are entitled to make. Pretty simple if others don't agree with the terms Alliance have on offer they don't have to sign.
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