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Old 14th Dec 2021, 09:26
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All that means is the aircraft cubes out before it reaches max weight, packages/mail is low density freight.
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Old 19th Dec 2021, 02:01
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Danger EFA 330s

Apparently QF pilots are coming across to EFA to "Teach" their pilots how to fly them!

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Old 19th Dec 2021, 12:55
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Apparently QF pilots are coming across to EFA to "Teach" their pilots how to fly them!

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No biggy, EFA will have a few years of A321 by that time. 6 sectors should cover the A330 conversion.
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Old 19th Dec 2021, 21:51
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Not exactly.

As per the current arrangement, all simulator and line training costs for EFA pilots are either free or paid for by QF mainline.

The use of the 767 simulator (now in Brisbane) is not charged for and the B737-400 simulator, which is owned by EFA, is maintained free of charge by QF sim techs.

Insurance and power for these simulators is paid for by QF also.

The EFA pilots will need some kind of line training experience - even if its only CCQ. This experience will be gained on current QF A330 passenger revenue sectors.

QF training captains will be involved which theoretically would involve incurring a cost for use. Again this cost will be covered by QF mainline.

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Old 20th Dec 2021, 02:05
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Originally Posted by Kaboobla View Post

This experience will be gained on current QF A330 passenger revenue sectors.

QF training captains will be involved which theoretically would involve incurring a cost for use. Again this cost will be covered by QF mainline.
Just curious, is this like mainline pilots gaining experience on the JQ 787 revenue sectors circa 2017?
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Old 20th Dec 2021, 02:40
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Originally Posted by Kaboobla View Post
Not exactly.

As per the current arrangement, all simulator and line training costs for EFA pilots are either free or paid for by QF mainline.

The use of the 767 simulator (now in Brisbane) is not charged for and the B737-400 simulator, which is owned by EFA, is maintained free of charge by QF sim techs.

Insurance and power for these simulators is paid for by QF also.

The EFA pilots will need some kind of line training experience - even if its only CCQ. This experience will be gained on current QF A330 passenger revenue sectors.

QF training captains will be involved which theoretically would involve incurring a cost for use. Again this cost will be covered by QF mainline.
Ha,ha,ha…..mate, you are soooo wrong ! But thanks for the good laugh 😂
you obviously don’t know anything about EFA.
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Old 20th Dec 2021, 05:03
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Is EFA paying for the two ex mainline A330s ? No of course. They are being gifted to them free of charge.

The mainline pilots that used to fly those aircraft are now surplus to requirements. Despite the rhetoric of increased utilisation of other aircraft by the QF CP.

Those excess crew will not be offered the chance to interview for EFA.

I could care less about any of this really, but don’t kid yourself that cross subsidisation to EFA from mainline QF doesn’t occur and don’t kid yourself that EFA pilots are just Alans latest shiny toy. In due course someone more cheaper will come along and undercut your jobs and you will be thrown on the career scrapheap like everyone else.
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Old 20th Dec 2021, 05:29
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Originally Posted by Kaboobla View Post

I could care less about any of this really, but don’t kid yourself that cross subsidisation to EFA from mainline QF doesn’t occur and don’t kid yourself that EFA pilots are just Alans latest shiny toy. In due course someone more cheaper will come along and undercut your jobs and you will be thrown on the career scrapheap like everyone else.
Nearly every EFA pilot earns below the award.
Mainline pilots would be nuts to take a position at EFA even if it was offered.
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Old 20th Dec 2021, 06:28
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Originally Posted by Kaboobla View Post
Is EFA paying for the two ex mainline A330s ? No of course. They are being gifted to them free of charge.

The mainline pilots that used to fly those aircraft are now surplus to requirements. Despite the rhetoric of increased utilisation of other aircraft by the QF CP.

Those excess crew will not be offered the chance to interview for EFA.

I could care less about any of this really, but don’t kid yourself that cross subsidisation to EFA from mainline QF doesn’t occur and don’t kid yourself that EFA pilots are just Alans latest shiny toy. In due course someone more cheaper will come along and undercut your jobs and you will be thrown on the career scrapheap like everyone else.
They'll be offered positions on different fleets if need be, how awful
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Old 20th Dec 2021, 06:52
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Originally Posted by Kaboobla View Post
Is EFA paying for the two ex mainline A330s ? No of course. They are being gifted to them free of charge.

The mainline pilots that used to fly those aircraft are now surplus to requirements. Despite the rhetoric of increased utilisation of other aircraft by the QF CP.

Those excess crew will not be offered the chance to interview for EFA.

I could care less about any of this really, but don’t kid yourself that cross subsidisation to EFA from mainline QF doesn’t occur and don’t kid yourself that EFA pilots are just Alans latest shiny toy. In due course someone more cheaper will come along and undercut your jobs and you will be thrown on the career scrapheap like everyone else.
EFA pilots are below the award.
going from mainline to EFA would mean for those guys a HUGE pay cut as they would be on EBA’s terms and conditions…..

”paying for the aircrafts” ???? well they are the same shareholders, so it’s going from 1 spreadsheet to another. Really not a big issue.
at the end of the day the freight business is VERY profitable for QF……QF freight can’t even manage the volume and has to subcontract to Cobham, Air Nauru, Airwork and Atlas Air.

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Originally Posted by 74world View Post
EFA pilots are below the award.
going from mainline to EFA would mean for those guys a HUGE pay cut as they would be on EBA’s terms and conditions…..

”paying for the aircrafts” ???? well they are the same shareholders, so it’s going from 1 spreadsheet to another. Really not a big issue.
at the end of the day the freight business is VERY profitable for QF……QF freight can’t even manage the volume and has to subcontract to Cobham, Air Nauru, Airwork and Atlas Air.
If EFA is so massively profitable then why doesn’t it buy, off its own bat, two more aircraft rather then taking mainlines ?

VA have A330s still on the Australian register. Buyers market I would have thought.

If it’s so simple to transfer aircraft as you say then why not just transfer pilots ? Yes there is a pay difference but guys and girls might look at the option of being fully stood up the whole time and being part of a successful and growing operation and decide it’s a better career deal then mainline
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Originally Posted by 74world View Post
EFA pilots are below the award.
Which award?
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Old 20th Dec 2021, 08:00
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Originally Posted by Kaboobla View Post
If EFA is so massively profitable then why doesn’t it buy, off its own bat, two more aircraft rather then taking mainlines ?

VA have A330s still on the Australian register. Buyers market I would have thought.

If it’s so simple to transfer aircraft as you say then why not just transfer pilots ? Yes there is a pay difference but guys and girls might look at the option of being fully stood up the whole time and being part of a successful and growing operation and decide it’s a better career deal then mainline
i don’t have all the answers, but here are some regarding your comments above:

1- old 330s that QF would have sold anyway
2- why buy cheap A330 even if it’s a buyers market ? It doesn’t make sense. It’s easier and cheaper to transfer QF’s old 330 to EFA
3- have you heard of crew cost? An EFA 330 captain will probably earn 1/2 of a mainline captain.

for info stood down Captains FOs and SOs have been (and are still) employed at EFA on a fixed term contract.
obviously they will return to the mothership once their contract is up as they were only there because they were stood down.

career wise, so far no one has resigned from mainline to stay with EFA, but few from Jetstar flying the bus have resigned to stay (EFA’s A321)

look mate I’m not here to argue with you, apparently you know more than I do 😏 👍
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Old 20th Dec 2021, 23:45
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Originally Posted by Kaboobla View Post
If EFA is so massively profitable then why doesn’t it buy, off its own bat, two more aircraft rather then taking mainlines ?

VA have A330s still on the Australian register. Buyers market I would have thought.
The Qantas aircraft are almost 2x the age of the ex VA ones, and thus their value is greatly reduced, add in the fact the initial A330s were rumoured to be ordered at a great discount thanks to A380 delays, it would be hard to find comparable cost aircraft on the market, with the exception of the VA bird marooned in Perth for the foreseeable future.
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it would be hard to find comparable cost aircraft on the market, with the exception of the VA bird marooned in Perth for the foreseeable future.
Someone stole a Engine from the VA Bird, so it's probably even cheaper now.
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Old 21st Dec 2021, 20:26
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Originally Posted by markis10 View Post
The Qantas aircraft are almost 2x the age of the ex VA ones, and thus their value is greatly reduced, add in the fact the initial A330s were rumoured to be ordered at a great discount thanks to A380 delays, it would be hard to find comparable cost aircraft on the market, with the exception of the VA bird marooned in Perth for the foreseeable future.
The qf 330's are CF6 powered whereas ex VA & majority of other 330's around are RR. Engine commonality a big issue 1 would think & for EFA using same engines as QF, spares will be readily available without the added cost of a spare engine sitting in a shed somewhere.
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Old 22nd Dec 2021, 05:07
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Cheaper to give the older A330's to EFA than fly them to Victorville. Dragonair's first A330-300, delivered new in 1995 has been a dive site for over 2 years.
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I don’t think you will ever see a RR logo on a Qantas nacelle again.

Old A330s have quite expensive intermediate service goal* maintenance requirements, and reliability is iffy. One advantage for freight operations is the frequent ECAM alerts serve as a cheerful wake-up call on those night sectors.

*ISG is for operations beyond the original 60,000hr service life of the aeroplane.


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Old 22nd Dec 2021, 09:49
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Originally Posted by 717tech View Post
Someone stole a Engine from the VA Bird, so it's probably even cheaper now.
Gone to Melb for the VA A330 at the Jet base.
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Which award?
That would be the one and only Air Pilot's Award 2020...
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