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Old 22nd Dec 2021, 23:30
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Originally Posted by romeocharlie
That would be the one and only Air Pilot's Award 2020...
Then EFA pilots are not paid below award,,,,
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Old 23rd Dec 2021, 06:59
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Originally Posted by Wizofoz
Then EFA pilots are not paid below award,,,,
Yeah they are.
Maybe you should compare the two and then you will see it is many $1000s below.
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Old 23rd Dec 2021, 07:52
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Yeah they are.
Maybe you should compare the two and then you will see it is many $1000s below.
MA000046: Air Pilots Award 2020 (fwo.gov.au)

Narrow body Captain-146 942, FO-96,774

EFA- more than that.....
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Old 23rd Dec 2021, 08:50
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Originally Posted by Wizofoz
MA000046: Air Pilots Award 2020 (fwo.gov.au)

Narrow body Captain-146 942, FO-96,774

EFA- more than that.....
You better read the entire award before you start sprinkling numbers champ.
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Old 23rd Dec 2021, 09:07
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Originally Posted by davidclarke
You better read the entire award before you start sprinkling numbers champ.
Maybe you could just point out where I'm worng, rather than being criptic?
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Old 23rd Dec 2021, 21:48
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Maybe you could just point out where I'm worng, rather than being criptic?
Additions to minimum salary In addition to the minimum salary the following salary components will be paid as applicable.

(b) Airline Transport Pilots Licence [A.1.3(b) varied by PR718864, PR729304 ppc 01Nov21] A pilot (excluding Fokker-28 pilots) required to hold and exercise the privileges of an Airline Transport Pilots Licence by their company or CASA (or who operates under an exemption from holding that licence) will be paid $5435.64 per annum.

(d) Flying a turbo jet aircraft [A.1.3(d) varied by PR718864, PR729304 ppc 01Nov21] A pilot (excluding Fokker-28 pilots) flying a turbo jet aircraft will be paid $11,519.23 per annum

Pilots (excluding Fokker-28 pilots) who are required to carry out flying using an instrument rating will be paid an additional allowance as follows: Instrument flying rating $ per annum Command or Class 1 6587.56 Co-pilot or Class 2 4283.71 Night VFR or Class 4 1646.89

I'll leave you to add it up.
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Old 23rd Dec 2021, 23:53
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Originally Posted by romeocharlie
Additions to minimum salary In addition to the minimum salary the following salary components will be paid as applicable.

(b) Airline Transport Pilots Licence [A.1.3(b) varied by PR718864, PR729304 ppc 01Nov21] A pilot (excluding Fokker-28 pilots) required to hold and exercise the privileges of an Airline Transport Pilots Licence by their company or CASA (or who operates under an exemption from holding that licence) will be paid $5435.64 per annum.

(d) Flying a turbo jet aircraft [A.1.3(d) varied by PR718864, PR729304 ppc 01Nov21] A pilot (excluding Fokker-28 pilots) flying a turbo jet aircraft will be paid $11,519.23 per annum

Pilots (excluding Fokker-28 pilots) who are required to carry out flying using an instrument rating will be paid an additional allowance as follows: Instrument flying rating $ per annum Command or Class 1 6587.56 Co-pilot or Class 2 4283.71 Night VFR or Class 4 1646.89

I'll leave you to add it up.
About168 for a captain. An EFA captain starts on 170+
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So you’re saying the commissioner that approved the EBA has incorrectly carried out their duties in applying the BOOT?
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Old 24th Dec 2021, 00:16
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If it’s below the award just report it.

One person at Woolworths did that, and it cost them half a billion dollars in backpay. Still facing billions in fines. That same sort of action is flowing around the sales industry at the moment, I read last week Coles is next up.
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Old 24th Dec 2021, 02:08
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Originally Posted by Wizofoz
About168 for a captain. An EFA captain starts on 170+
You're wrong, an EFA captain starts at 161K.
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Old 24th Dec 2021, 02:10
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Originally Posted by Sparrows.
So you’re saying the commissioner that approved the EBA has incorrectly carried out their duties in applying the BOOT?
No, but the award went up since the EBA came out some years ago...that's why it's "below the award".
Also keep in mind that people did not care about the salary since they were only going to stay a short while.
The main reason to join EFA was to get into mainline.

COVID came and overnight QF stop recruiting, in fact a lot of pilots were stood down, so EFA became attractive.

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Old 24th Dec 2021, 07:34
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Originally Posted by Wizofoz
About168 for a captain. An EFA captain starts on 170+
Jesus wept. It's $161,038 for narrowbody and $185,764 for widebody skippers. Below the current Air Pilot's Award 2020 because it's 3 YEARS EXPIRED.

The point of having an EBA is that there's some room for negotiating all the wonderful things like reserves and time away from loved ones in exchange for, I dunno, maybe some more money?

Maybe instead of arguing the finer points of the award or EBA for a company, perhaps in the spirit of Christmas 🎄 we should wish for better conditions?

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Old 24th Dec 2021, 12:21
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Originally Posted by romeocharlie
Jesus wept. It's $161,038 for narrowbody and $185,764 for widebody skippers. Below the current Air Pilot's Award 2020 because it's 3 YEARS EXPIRED.

The point of having an EBA is that there's some room for negotiating all the wonderful things like reserves and time away from loved ones in exchange for, I dunno, maybe some more money?

Maybe instead of arguing the finer points of the award or EBA for a company, perhaps in the spirit of Christmas 🎄 we should wish for better conditions?
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Wasn't my understanding. If that's so, I appologise, I was mistaken.
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Old 25th Dec 2021, 23:12
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Originally Posted by Wizofoz
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Wasn't my understanding. If that's so, I appologise, I was mistaken.
Have to say apologies on this forum are pretty rare! Thanks - hope you had a good Christmas 🎄
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Old 25th Dec 2021, 23:33
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Have to say apologies on this forum are pretty rare! Thanks - hope you had a good Christmas 🎄
Great thanks- well, if you're going to be opinionated, you have to fess up when that opinion is wrong!!

Best to you and yours.
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