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Undoubtedly a Qantas angel from bullsh1t castle.
Says it all really.
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So the facts.
Pilots in the 787 EA give up 30-40% in pay, flying long range routes on the 787.
They increase productivity by 30% by giving away night credits.
This is to assure that they obtain the 787 flying.
So once it’s already assured in industrial harmony, it’s used yet again as a bargaining threat.
The CEO pays himself $25 million, a record for any CEO in the country and multiples of any other airline CEO. Mr David $12 million. Gee really got to make that cost base work. Thin the pencil guys.
The 787 game changer burns less than half the fuel of a quad jet and fuel is rising.
It requires less maintenance as it’s new and under warranty. You got them at a 60% discount.
Pilot pay on the new jet is at least 30-40% less than the 747 it is to REPLACE.
Well I say take away the toys you fools. You pay the extra fuel and maintenance and answer to your shareholders. Your bonus depends on it. Not mine. I don’t get one.
Pilots get paid more if we KEEP the 747s!!
I call your bluff. Your IR bully boy tactics won’t work a second time. And you can’t cry wolf when you pay yourselves $25 and $12 million dollars respectively.
People have woken up to the taking away the shiny toy gameplay. The global pilot shortage is growing. There is no rush.
You can’t have market forces that suit you both ways.
Fleet needs replacing as Others have said. The market has worked it out. You just look desperate using it as a threat.
Pilots in the 787 EA give up 30-40% in pay, flying long range routes on the 787.
They increase productivity by 30% by giving away night credits.
This is to assure that they obtain the 787 flying.
So once it’s already assured in industrial harmony, it’s used yet again as a bargaining threat.
The CEO pays himself $25 million, a record for any CEO in the country and multiples of any other airline CEO. Mr David $12 million. Gee really got to make that cost base work. Thin the pencil guys.
The 787 game changer burns less than half the fuel of a quad jet and fuel is rising.
It requires less maintenance as it’s new and under warranty. You got them at a 60% discount.
Pilot pay on the new jet is at least 30-40% less than the 747 it is to REPLACE.
Well I say take away the toys you fools. You pay the extra fuel and maintenance and answer to your shareholders. Your bonus depends on it. Not mine. I don’t get one.
Pilots get paid more if we KEEP the 747s!!
I call your bluff. Your IR bully boy tactics won’t work a second time. And you can’t cry wolf when you pay yourselves $25 and $12 million dollars respectively.
People have woken up to the taking away the shiny toy gameplay. The global pilot shortage is growing. There is no rush.
You can’t have market forces that suit you both ways.
Fleet needs replacing as Others have said. The market has worked it out. You just look desperate using it as a threat.
Imagine the sh!t they would be in if they paid tax. This great Australian company is not only screwing its staff, it’s screwing the taxpayer too.
I’ve haven’t flown any shiny new jets in the last 15+ years. I think I can hold out a while longer....
This seems to be the feeling of everyone (and yes I do mean everyone) I have spoken to. Despite the very best efforts to reengage the workforce after the lockout, people now view it largely as just another job. Apathy is probably an undesired side effect of the highly adversarial nature of IT tactics used in recent years, leading indirectly and directly to the dead decade and ultimately the lockout.
Show up, fly the jet, go home, get paid. Repeat.
If they don’t want to buy new tools, then I’ll keep doing the job with the tools I’ve got but at some stage they will need to answer to the shareholders.
This seems to be the feeling of everyone (and yes I do mean everyone) I have spoken to. Despite the very best efforts to reengage the workforce after the lockout, people now view it largely as just another job. Apathy is probably an undesired side effect of the highly adversarial nature of IT tactics used in recent years, leading indirectly and directly to the dead decade and ultimately the lockout.
Show up, fly the jet, go home, get paid. Repeat.
If they don’t want to buy new tools, then I’ll keep doing the job with the tools I’ve got but at some stage they will need to answer to the shareholders.
To be fair, if you made substantial losses/writedowns, you could claim them against your earnings too. I’m not quite sure I see what the issue is here.
I’ve haven’t flown any shiny new jets in the last 15+ years. I think I can hold out a while longer....
This seems to be the feeling of everyone (and yes I do mean everyone) I have spoken to. Despite the very best efforts to reengage the workforce after the lockout, people now view it largely as just another job. Apathy is probably an undesired side effect of the highly adversarial nature of IT tactics used in recent years, leading indirectly and directly to the dead decade and ultimately the lockout.
Show up, fly the jet, go home, get paid. Repeat.
If they don’t want to buy new tools, then I’ll keep doing the job with the tools I’ve got but at some stage they will need to answer to the shareholders.
This seems to be the feeling of everyone (and yes I do mean everyone) I have spoken to. Despite the very best efforts to reengage the workforce after the lockout, people now view it largely as just another job. Apathy is probably an undesired side effect of the highly adversarial nature of IT tactics used in recent years, leading indirectly and directly to the dead decade and ultimately the lockout.
Show up, fly the jet, go home, get paid. Repeat.
If they don’t want to buy new tools, then I’ll keep doing the job with the tools I’ve got but at some stage they will need to answer to the shareholders.
But
What efforts at engagement??
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So the facts.
Pilots in the 787 EA give up 30-40% in pay, flying long range routes on the 787.
They increase productivity by 30% by giving away night credits.
This is to assure that they obtain the 787 flying.
So once it’s already assured in industrial harmony, it’s used yet again as a bargaining threat.
The CEO pays himself $25 million, a record for any CEO in the country and multiples of any other airline CEO. Mr David $12 million. Gee really got to make that cost base work. Thin the pencil guys.
The 787 game changer burns less than half the fuel of a quad jet and fuel is rising.
It requires less maintenance as it’s new and under warranty. You got them at a 60% discount.
Pilot pay on the new jet is at least 30-40% less than the 747 it is to REPLACE.
Well I say take away the toys you fools. You pay the extra fuel and maintenance and answer to your shareholders. Your bonus depends on it. Not mine. I don’t get one.
Pilots get paid more if we KEEP the 747s!!
I call your bluff. Your IR bully boy tactics won’t work a second time. And you can’t cry wolf when you pay yourselves $25 and $12 million dollars respectively.
People have woken up to the taking away the shiny toy gameplay. The global pilot shortage is growing. There is no rush.
You can’t have market forces that suit you both ways.
Fleet needs replacing as Others have said. The market has worked it out. You just look desperate using it as a threat.
Pilots in the 787 EA give up 30-40% in pay, flying long range routes on the 787.
They increase productivity by 30% by giving away night credits.
This is to assure that they obtain the 787 flying.
So once it’s already assured in industrial harmony, it’s used yet again as a bargaining threat.
The CEO pays himself $25 million, a record for any CEO in the country and multiples of any other airline CEO. Mr David $12 million. Gee really got to make that cost base work. Thin the pencil guys.
The 787 game changer burns less than half the fuel of a quad jet and fuel is rising.
It requires less maintenance as it’s new and under warranty. You got them at a 60% discount.
Pilot pay on the new jet is at least 30-40% less than the 747 it is to REPLACE.
Well I say take away the toys you fools. You pay the extra fuel and maintenance and answer to your shareholders. Your bonus depends on it. Not mine. I don’t get one.
Pilots get paid more if we KEEP the 747s!!
I call your bluff. Your IR bully boy tactics won’t work a second time. And you can’t cry wolf when you pay yourselves $25 and $12 million dollars respectively.
People have woken up to the taking away the shiny toy gameplay. The global pilot shortage is growing. There is no rush.
You can’t have market forces that suit you both ways.
Fleet needs replacing as Others have said. The market has worked it out. You just look desperate using it as a threat.
When's the next "next step" course scheduled??
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Can’t agree more with the above sentiments.
When I joined the group I was proud, enthusiastic and excited about a long career.
Over time, the IR tactics, the lockout, the management bonuses, the snouts in the trough, the scare campaigns, the leveraging of pilot groups etc etc has worn me down.
Now it’s turn up, take the fuel that makes me feel warm and fuzzy, do the job and go home. They get no loyalty and no love except on pay day.
So, go ahead, run this course of action QF. I’ve seen it before over and over again and after 15years I no longer care whether they buy new jets or fold completely. I will vote when required, take action when required by my union and what will be will be. Nothing surprises me anymore.
When I joined the group I was proud, enthusiastic and excited about a long career.
Over time, the IR tactics, the lockout, the management bonuses, the snouts in the trough, the scare campaigns, the leveraging of pilot groups etc etc has worn me down.
Now it’s turn up, take the fuel that makes me feel warm and fuzzy, do the job and go home. They get no loyalty and no love except on pay day.
So, go ahead, run this course of action QF. I’ve seen it before over and over again and after 15years I no longer care whether they buy new jets or fold completely. I will vote when required, take action when required by my union and what will be will be. Nothing surprises me anymore.
Can’t agree more with the above sentiments.
When I joined the group I was proud, enthusiastic and excited about a long career.
Over time, the IR tactics, the lockout, the management bonuses, the snouts in the trough, the scare campaigns, the leveraging of pilot groups etc etc has worn me down.
Now it’s turn up, take the fuel that makes me feel warm and fuzzy, do the job and go home. They get no loyalty and no love except on pay day.
So, go ahead, run this course of action QF. I’ve seen it before over and over again and after 15years I no longer care whether they buy new jets or fold completely. I will vote when required, take action when required by my union and what will be will be. Nothing surprises me anymore.
When I joined the group I was proud, enthusiastic and excited about a long career.
Over time, the IR tactics, the lockout, the management bonuses, the snouts in the trough, the scare campaigns, the leveraging of pilot groups etc etc has worn me down.
Now it’s turn up, take the fuel that makes me feel warm and fuzzy, do the job and go home. They get no loyalty and no love except on pay day.
So, go ahead, run this course of action QF. I’ve seen it before over and over again and after 15years I no longer care whether they buy new jets or fold completely. I will vote when required, take action when required by my union and what will be will be. Nothing surprises me anymore.
But maybe more cynicism
For the first time I find myself saying that I feel fortunate to have worked for one of QF’s contract companies. Over the course of many EBA negotiations I have been subjected to numerous and varied fear campaigns designed to keep pilots hungry and nervous. The response from pilots has been a mix of capitulation, mild mannered acceptance and outright exasperation and anger. The result has ranged from a smooth transition to the next worst EBA to PIA. The one constant has been.........nothing has changed. QF have neither punished pilots nor withdrawn aircraft from the operation. They’ve beaten their chest and forced the contract company to beat their chest, but that’s about it. Stand fast, the only thing more expensive than a fuel guzzling plane is a stationary one!
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Perhaps the tide is going out and we’ll discover Alan’s not wearing any cozzies!
Qantas is due to start paying corporate tax again soon, after the massive write down/loss a few years back.
He’s already committed to nigh on a 100 A320’s for JQ etc.
Maybe, just maybe, his dream run is coming to a close, as a new reality looms large. Maybe there’s a bit of a problem brewing with financing the 787’s!? 😳
Qantas is due to start paying corporate tax again soon, after the massive write down/loss a few years back.
He’s already committed to nigh on a 100 A320’s for JQ etc.
Maybe, just maybe, his dream run is coming to a close, as a new reality looms large. Maybe there’s a bit of a problem brewing with financing the 787’s!? 😳
That's what they have said .... directly to us! No delusion on our part at all. The delusion and/or stupidity is all on their side.
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The truth of the matter is that the company has been poorly run and they are looking for a scapegoat. Sadly for them, the pilots are not it. Move along, nothing to see here.
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The way I see it is the 787 option was cancelled and the acquisition process paused because there is a view that the union may be seeking to take the pilots down a pathway of industrial action and/or launching lawsuits. The evidence of this is the calling of a pilot meeting, to which the CEOs and others were invited. Such meetings don’t happen often as I understand it? Presumably such meetings only occur if the union is contemplating doing something about whatever concerns they have and no matter how disproportionate the concerns are in reality.
Yes there are terms and conditions agreed for the 787, but that is only one factor in ordering more. Another factor is the possibility - real or perceived - that the new batch will be ordered and then wide scale industrial action will take place. That affects the decision to order more. Obviously a large number of people can’t see this obvious point and would rather continue the pprune group think party.
Yes there are terms and conditions agreed for the 787, but that is only one factor in ordering more. Another factor is the possibility - real or perceived - that the new batch will be ordered and then wide scale industrial action will take place. That affects the decision to order more. Obviously a large number of people can’t see this obvious point and would rather continue the pprune group think party.
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The 787 option was cancelled and the acquisition process passed because there is a view that the union may be seeking to take the pilots down a pathway of industrial action and/or launching lawsuits. The evidence of this is the calling of a pilot meeting, to which the CEOs and others were invited. Such meetings don’t happen often as I understand it?
Yes there are terms and conditions agreed for the 787, but that is only one factor in ordering more. Another factor is the possibility - real or perceived - that the new batch will be ordered and then wide scale industrial action will take place. That affects the decision to order more. Obviously a large number of people can’t see this obvious point and would rather continue the pprune group think party.
Yes there are terms and conditions agreed for the 787, but that is only one factor in ordering more. Another factor is the possibility - real or perceived - that the new batch will be ordered and then wide scale industrial action will take place. That affects the decision to order more. Obviously a large number of people can’t see this obvious point and would rather continue the pprune group think party.
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The reality is you are a desert when it comes to alternative views. You are merely a mouthpiece for a morally corrupt group of people who have led a once great company to the brink of ruin through their own largesse. There is no money to buy aircraft. That was clearly shown today. Unfortunately for you, you will have to find another scapegoat. The pilots are not falling for it.
Qantas Angel please be gone. I would engage you in a battle of intellect but I am afraid you appear unarmed.
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